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Old 05-14-2015, 09:18 AM   #1421
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Well, they were #1 in Team Value not long ago, and may still have that distinction.
They still are #1 with the PATS at #2.

So the haters can hate all they want........ While Jerry and Robert laugh all the way to the bank
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Old 05-14-2015, 09:51 AM   #1422
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All sports owners laugh all the way to the bank. All sports teams increase in value. That has nothing to do with winning and losing. The Pats have obviously been very successful while making money which is a win / win. The Cowboys haven't won anything in a very long time and in fact last time I checked they were something like 140-140 in the last 280 games. It doesn't get any more mediocre than that. So, yes, I'm sure Jerry is laughing every day, but if I was a Cowboy fan I would be pissed at how the team is run and there's no way I would pay to go to a game.
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That is more of a wishful thinking on your part. You're hoping they'll go 9-7.

Vegas' odds makers changed the line for the first game of the season against the Steelers from 7 points favored to 3.

Also the odds of the PATS winning the SB has not changed with the news of the Brady suspension. It remains at 8/1 which is 3rd after the Seahawks and Packers.
The Pats / Steelers line has now dropped to around 2. Its 1 1/2 at some places. The Pats are now 10/1 to win the SB behind GB, Seattle and Indy (at least it is where Im looking)

I make a a lot of money betting on sports. I fully admit that I hate the Pats (and the Cowboys) but I win because I'm unbiased. I don't bet against a team because I hate them and I don't bet on my favorite team thinking they are better than they are just because I like them. You are what we call a "homer". You are blinded and cant see past your teams problems.

The over / under on total wins for the Pats stands at 10 most places. They probably would've gone 3-1 with Brady and now will most likely go 1-3. They went 12-4 last year. If they were just as good you would have to figure they would go 10-6 after losing 2 games because of Brady's suspension. Buy they aren't just as good as they were last year. They lost Revis and Browner and CB. They lost Vereen and Ridley at RB. Blount is also suspended for the first game I think it is.

If they win 10 games you should call it a great season.
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All sports owners laugh all the way to the bank. All sports teams increase in value. That has nothing to do with winning and losing. The Pats have obviously been very successful while making money which is a win / win. The Cowboys haven't won anything in a very long time and in fact last time I checked they were something like 140-140 in the last 280 games. It doesn't get any more mediocre than that. So, yes, I'm sure Jerry is laughing every day, but if I was a Cowboy fan I would be pissed at how the team is run and there's no way I would pay to go to a game.
That's how I feel about Da Bears, who are probably even more mediocre than the Boys.
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The Pats / Steelers line has now dropped to around 2. Its 1 1/2 at some places. The Pats are now 10/1 to win the SB behind GB, Seattle and Indy (at least it is where Im looking)

I make a a lot of money betting on sports. I fully admit that I hate the Pats (and the Cowboys) but I win because I'm unbiased. I don't bet against a team because I hate them and I don't bet on my favorite team thinking they are better than they are just because I like them. You are what we call a "homer". You are blinded and cant see past your teams problems.

The over / under on total wins for the Pats stands at 10 most places. They probably would've gone 3-1 with Brady and now will most likely go 1-3. They went 12-4 last year. If they were just as good you would have to figure they would go 10-6 after losing 2 games because of Brady's suspension. Buy they aren't just as good as they were last year. They lost Revis and Browner and CB. They lost Vereen and Ridley at RB. Blount is also suspended for the first game I think it is.

If they win 10 games you should call it a great season.

Being a little hard there Utrecht. Sports-betters (such as myself, also) forget the passion behind being a true fan. Remember a fan is short for fanatic and it shouldn't be any other way. That being said you certainly in the ballpark on season win total. The division is getting tougher and Pats cant count on 5-1 in division to boost that season total anymore.
FWIW, my NFL betting winnings increased greatly when I committed only to betting on season win totals, and only individual games on opposing teams that Clip Board Jesus (Charlie Whitehurst) starts.


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Oh, don't worry. I'm a football fanatic for sure. I have the DirecTV NFL package and don't leave my couch all day on Sunday. I just do my best not to let it sway me when I'm betting real money.
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Same here. I don't become a fanatic until after my season win total investments have been purchased. I will be doing that next week in Vegas. Last year I was "fanatic" with Chargers, Steelers, Bears, and Lions losing only the Bears. Now on to 2-3 different teams this year!


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I am a fan, and for me fan means supporting your local teams no matter what. Moved to TX in 93 from CT, and left behind my beloved Yankees and Giants and became a Rangers and Cowboys fan. Many frustrating years, but it's still fun to believe this will be the year.

As for placing bets, I rely on the stock market for that.
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You are what we call a "homer". You are blinded and cant see past your teams problems.
I have been a PATS fan for the last 40 years. I lived through the years when my team was the laughing stock of the NFL but I am extremely grateful to Bill Belichick and Tom Brady for transforming the team into the most dominant team of the last 15 years. If winning 4 SBs and making it to 6 is a problem then I'm happy to have this problem anytime.

Since I know that teams don't stay dominant forever I am enjoying every single minute while you are spewing in your hate.....
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I have been a PATS fan for the last 40 years. I lived through the years when my team was the laughing stock of the NFL but I am extremely grateful to Bill Belichick and Tom Brady for transforming the team into the most dominant team of the last 15 years. If winning 4 SBs and making it to 6 is a problem then I'm happy to have this problem anytime.

Since I know that teams don't stay dominant forever I am enjoying every single minute while you are spewing in your hate.....
My team is the Steelers. We've played in 8 Super Bowls and won 6 of them. That has nothing to do with how good the team is this year. Your team has problems THIS year.
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My team is the Steelers. We've played in 8 Super Bowls and won 6 of them. That has nothing to do with how good the team is this year. Your team has problems THIS year.
I clearly stated the PATS have been the dominant team in the last 15 years.

As long as Brady is our QB even for 12 games and the other QBs in the division are EJ Manuel, Gino smith and Ryan Tannehill I'm not worried about NEXT year or the next few.
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I enjoy sports, especially pro sports, because, after having played several sports badly, I realize just how good they are.

I wouldn't, however, say I'm a fan, as in fanatic, for any team. It's not like I'm cheering for my high school, manned or womanned by my friends and classmates. These are billionaire owners, and millionaire players, who mostly play for the highest bidder. Hard to call that a "home" team...
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Someone suggested this scenario:

The NFL figured this wasn't really a big deal but after the Ray Rice debacle needed to show some spine, end the comments about being too cozy with Kraft and regain some air of authority. Too many people calling for Goodell's head.

They levy a 4 game suspension knowing that Brady would appeal and win.

Brady gets no suspension and maybe a fine.

NFL then looks like they're tough

Brady plays ball
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Brady Files Appeal

Today Tom Brady, as expected, filed an appeal of his suspension and the Pats issued a 20,000-word response in which they say, in part, that the equipment guy who called himself the "Deflator" was only referring to his quest to lose weight.

BTW: it was mentioned on a local sports talk show yesterday that if the 4-game suspension stands, Brady loses $1.8M, and even with the $1M fine, the Pats come out ahead $800K they now don't have to pay him. And they still are the SB champs to boot!
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I find it funny that people are defending Brady for NOT cooperating!!!


To me, this is worse than the deflation of the balls... since this is an internal NFL matter, he does not have to produce anything, but they can punish him as much as they want.. do not set a precedent allowing people to stonewall and then claim there is not evidence....
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I clearly stated the PATS have been the dominant team in the last 15 years.

As long as Brady is our QB even for 12 games and the other QBs in the division are EJ Manuel, Gino smith and Ryan Tannehill I'm not worried about NEXT year or the next few.
You should be worried about Buffalo. They have a smothering defense that finished #3 last season. They had a weak offense but still went 9-7 with Kyle Orton at QB because their defense is THAT good. They've added offensive weapons at every skill position. LeSean McCoy at RB. Percy Harvin at WR and Charles Clay at TE. If / when EJ Manuel stinks, they also added Matt Cassel at QB who is at least as good as Kyle Orton. They've added talent all over the field while NE has lost talent. I hope your memories of the last 15 years keep you warm at night because NE's reign is over. I had this same discussion with a Cowboy fanatic 20 years ago and they still haven't won anything since then.

After this, you can have whatever last word you want. My next comment to you will be "I told you so" several months from now.
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Y I hope your memories of the last 15 years keep you warm at night because NE's reign is over.

My next comment to you will be "I told you so" several months from now.
I actually have video of DW (a rabid Pats fan) saying these exact words in September of 2014. Honestly.
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I don't know any other "dynasty" that had this many detractors. Not the Packers of the 1960s, not the Steelers of the 1970s, not the 49ers of the 1980s, not even the Cowboys of the early 1990s. Even when those teams were hated, they were more respected. So why so many "haters" here?

It's not just success, IMO, as much as many Boston fans want to make it about nothing but jealousy. Anyone who doesn't tow the New England line is dismissed, almost to a person, by Pats fans as "haters". It's also a demonstrated history of playing fast and loose with the rules. The irony is that Belichick is sometimes the architect of the cheating and the Wells Report indicated he probably had no knowledge of this. That said, those who know the relationships between a QB and the equipment folks don't question that, so I won't. They know better than I do.

As for Brady's suspension, sure, relative to the two weeks Ray Rice originally got, almost *every* punishment the NFL has ever given out since has been excessive in direct comparison. But come on, Rice was one miscarriage of NFL justice, ONE mistake. If we essentially say no one should get as much as what Ray Rice got if they did wasn't as "serious" as what Ray Rice did, everyone will be slapped on the wrist. Even steroid users, even drug offenders. Rice was an outlier, a mistake, and shouldn't be used to compare future punishments to.

I also think the large chip on the shoulder that Boston fans have, bolstered by the the embarrassing good fortunes their teams have had for nearly 15 years, have made their teams a bit of a target. And every time said fans dismiss everyone by merely saying they are jealous haters, they make it worse. But whatever... I suspect most Boston fans will take if they keep winning titles.
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I hope your memories of the last 15 years keep you warm at night because NE's reign is over
Bill Belichick has not announced his retirement yet I don't think.

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After this, you can have whatever last word you want. My next comment to you will be "I told you so" several months from now.
Hopefully we can discuss this next December/January without using the word "hate"
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You should be worried about Buffalo. They have a smothering defense that finished #3 last season. They had a weak offense but still went 9-7 with Kyle Orton at QB because their defense is THAT good. They've added offensive weapons at every skill position. LeSean McCoy at RB. Percy Harvin at WR and Charles Clay at TE. If / when EJ Manuel stinks, they also added Matt Cassel at QB who is at least as good as Kyle Orton. They've added talent all over the field while NE has lost talent. I hope your memories of the last 15 years keep you warm at night because NE's reign is over. I had this same discussion with a Cowboy fanatic 20 years ago and they still haven't won anything since then.

After this, you can have whatever last word you want. My next comment to you will be "I told you so" several months from now.

Bills season win total was set at 8.5 minus 110. It is on my radar for my 2015 selections. But the possible interest is certainly not for Percy Harvin. He hasnt done much but be hurt since Favre made him a name.


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