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Old 11-30-2015, 07:13 PM   #541
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Let's not get carried away. The games he has been abysmal in still far exceed his good games.
Look around at the NFL QB's. I will take Cutler.
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Look around at the NFL QB's. I will take Cutler.
You can have him.

On another subject, one thing about the Broncos game that surprised me was how often the 6'8" Osweiler has passes blocked or batted.
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Only the Cleveland Browns could lose a game in that manner (blocked FG attempt to win the game, returned for a TD by the defense). If there is such a thing as a curse on a sports franchise, that one *is* cursed.
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That was an amazing finish.
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Only the Cleveland Browns could lose a game in that manner (blocked FG attempt to win the game, returned for a TD by the defense). If there is such a thing as a curse on a sports franchise, that one *is* cursed.

Hate to contradict you, but John Harbaugh won on last night's play, and his brother lost on a last play flubbed punt. It really sucks when you are both a Browns fan and a Michigan fan and are on the losing end in both cases 😱


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The world would be a better place if:

1) Every house came with a beautiful masseuse
2) There were no wars
3) A Browns game was never again televised.
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Masseuse/maid...

I don't recall watching a Brown's game since, well, Jim Brown.
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I don't recall watching a Brown's game since, well, Jim Brown.
What? You aren't waiting with bated breath about the Johnny "What a waste" Manziel drama?


Jim Brown, I remember seeing him zig zagging tossing down those grenades in "The Dirty Dozen".
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There's only 3 teams that would've drafted Manziel with a high pick. Cleveland, Oakland and Dallas. That kind of thinking is what has kept those teams floundering for a very long time.
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What? You aren't waiting with bated breath about the Johnny "What a waste" Manziel drama?
Another embarrassment for Texas. When he was playing at Texas A&M the local TV newscasters called him "Johnny Football' but many others in Texas called him "Johnny the Jerk". Seems the latter is more accurate at this point. Maybe he'll mature (and not just get older) as a man and football player in a few more years.
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I think he has some talent and could become a good QB but he has a lot of growing up to do.
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I think he has some talent and could become a good QB but he has a lot of growing up to do.
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Another embarrassment for Texas. When he was playing at Texas A&M the local TV newscasters called him "Johnny Football' but many others in Texas called him "Johnny the Jerk". Seems the latter is more accurate at this point. Maybe he'll mature (and not just get older) as a man and football player in a few more years.
Yeah, it's worked so well for Michael Vick and RGIII.
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You can have him.
To be clear.. I don't want him... I just was stating that he has potential if he grows up some.

FWIW, I'd probably take a chance on him over Jay Cutler.
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To be clear.. I don't want him... I just was stating that he has potential if he grows up some.

FWIW, I'd probably take a chance on him over Jay Cutler.
Good luck with that my friend.
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Hate to contradict you, but John Harbaugh won on last night's play, and his brother lost on a last play flubbed punt. It really sucks when you are both a Browns fan and a Michigan fan and are on the losing end in both cases
Point taken, but I meant at the NFL level. The Cleveland Browns are a special kind of snake-bit.
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Manziel is like the Justin Bieber of football. Talent potential but too immature to use that potential. Manziel gets demoted for partying then lying about that to the team .
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There's only 3 teams that would've drafted Manziel with a high pick. Cleveland, Oakland and Dallas. That kind of thinking is what has kept those teams floundering for a very long time.
But at least Oakland might have a keeper in Derek Carr. The Browns.... Tim Couch, Brandon Weeden, Manziel, need I go on?
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But at least Oakland might have a keeper in Derek Carr. The Browns.... Tim Couch, Brandon Weeden, Manziel, need I go on?
Yes, its fun......how about Brady Quinn?

Quinn, Manziel, Weedon and Couch are the only 4 QBs that Cleveland has taken in the first round in the last 40 yrs. They missed every time.

Hes not a QB but lets throw Trent Richardson in there. The #3 pick overall and another complete bust.
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Yeah, it's worked so well for Michael Vick and RGIII.

Vick did learn later in his career. He has been able to keep backup jobs for the past several years despite questionable ability. He knows to keep his mouth shut and be straight as backup pay is better than anything out there in the real world.
Just shut your mouth and be a good teammate is all it takes in some places. Hell ClipBoard Jesus has swindled $20 million from teams the past 10 years doing nothing and even less when he plays.


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