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Old 01-01-2017, 04:57 PM   #421
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Wow. 17/19, 235yds, 4TDs all in the first half for Matt Ryan. Looks like he's making sure there is no doubt who should get the MVP. Brady played well today but not well enough and it doesn't look like Rodgers will be able to out play Ryan either. Ryan may not have the 'name' of Rodgers or Brady but he deserves the MVP.
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Old 01-02-2017, 10:12 AM   #422
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Wow. 17/19, 235yds, 4TDs all in the first half for Matt Ryan. Looks like he's making sure there is no doubt who should get the MVP. Brady played well today but not well enough and it doesn't look like Rodgers will be able to out play Ryan either. Ryan may not have the 'name' of Rodgers or Brady but he deserves the MVP.
I don't really care that much but, I wouldn't discount Rodgers' performance or his stats.

Since the fun began on a Monday night in Philadelphia in Week 12, that's 15 TD passes to 0 INTs to go with 6-0. Rodgers' final numbers were very familiar and league MVP-like: 40 TDs and 4,428 yards with only 7 INTs, none since Week 10.

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This is one where it can go any way....

Ryan has the highest rating... higher % completions... more yards... more yards per pass... almost the same TDs with over 70 fewer passes... and half the number of fumbles than Rodgers... also a better record than GB...

I would lean more toward Ryan on just comparing the stats... I did not see an Atlanta game at all... so can only look at stats...
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This is going to be interesting...

The Texans are going to be playing Oakland.... probably the ONLY team they have a chance of beating since they will be using their third string QB...


I think the Texans will then be slaughtered by KC or NE....
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Here's my take on MVP:
With Zek not doing much the last two games I don't think he can be considered with just a little over 1600yds. It seems pretty clear that the top two are Ryan and Rodgers. I think it should go to Ryan with Rodgers in second. Third would be either Brady or Prescott but they shouldn't be all that close to the top two.

I'm a life-long Packer fan and Rodgers fan but you can't argue with Ryan's stats and leadership. Neither Ryan or Rodgers have a lot of help like Brady and especially Prescott have. They are true MVPs.
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Hoping the Giants will take out the Redskins so that my Lions will get at least one playoff game. Looking good so far.
looks like you got your wish.

I was at the Giants-Redskins game. For a "must-win" game, I was surprised at how relatively empty the stadium seemed - it was crowded but there were a lot of empty seats. I was also (pleasantly) surprised at the number of Giants fans in attendance - it seemed at least a third of the stadium. I don't know if it was picked up on the network broadcast, but many times there where loud chants of "LETS GO GIANTS!" rolling across the stadium.

After Cousins last interception, there was a huge rush of Redskins fans for the exits. A lot of them missed their team's last desperate play that ended up in a Giants touchdown, but for their health it was probably for the better.
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looks like you got your wish.

I was at the Giants-Redskins game. For a "must-win" game, I was surprised at how relatively empty the stadium seemed - it was crowded but there were a lot of empty seats. I was also (pleasantly) surprised at the number of Giants fans in attendance - it seemed at least a third of the stadium. I don't know if it was picked up on the network broadcast, but many times there where loud chants of "LETS GO GIANTS!" rolling across the stadium.

After Cousins last interception, there was a huge rush of Redskins fans for the exits. A lot of them missed their team's last desperate play that ended up in a Giants touchdown, but for their health it was probably for the better.
I watched the Cowboys beat the Redskins there several (10?) years ago. Went with a work colleague who's a DC native & life long Skins fan; he took it like a man.

Lot's of Cowboys fans in the stands during that game too.
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Lions are in the playoffs. Just goes to show how few really good teams there are this year.

DW has no interest in football. 30+ years ago, when we'd go back to Michigan and go to a get together, I told her if football came up, she could just hang her head and say, "the Lions suck", and people would think she knew football and would fit right in.

That's been true almost every year since, and IMHO, applies this year as well, even tho just making the playoffs for Detroit is like winning the Super Bowl for other franchises.
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Lions are in the playoffs. Just goes to show how few really good teams there are this year.

DW has no interest in football. 30+ years ago, when we'd go back to Michigan and go to a get together, I told her if football came up, she could just hang her head and say, "the Lions suck", and people would think she knew football and would fit right in.

That's been true almost every year since, and IMHO, applies this year as well, even tho just making the playoffs for Detroit is like winning the Super Bowl for other franchises.
Well my friend, I'm rooting for the Lions against the Seahawks...because, that gives the Giants two opportunities to lose before the Cowboys (might) have to play them.

Yep, the Giants make me a bit nervous.
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I'm a life-long Packer fan and Rodgers fan but you can't argue with Ryan's stats and leadership. Neither Ryan or Rodgers have a lot of help like Brady and especially Prescott have. They are true MVPs.
As a Pats fan I don't care if Brady wins the MVP or not. All I want to see is him hoisting the Lombardi trophy for the 5th time and the look on Goodell's face when he presents the trophy to Kraft......
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Well my friend, I'm rooting for the Lions against the Seahawks...because, that gives the Giants two opportunities to lose before the Cowboys (might) have to play them.

Yep, the Giants make me a bit nervous.
I don't think the Giants are a team to be afraid of this year. I think the Packers will play in the NFC Championship and lose to Dallas.
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As a Pats fan I don't care if Brady wins the MVP or not. All I want to see is him hoisting the Lombardi trophy for the 5th time and the look on Goodell's face when he presents the trophy to Kraft......
Patriots are my least favorite team(along with Chicago) but I think they have a better chance of winning the Superbowl this year than any other year before. They don't have the best team they've ever had but the competition is weaker than in the past.
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Patriots have a better chance of winning the Superbowl this year than any other year before.
Better than the 18-0 team that was a 14 points favored against the Giants
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Better than the 18-0 team that was a 14 points favored against the Giants
They only won that game by 3 points. The NFC was tough that year. Packers and Cowboys would have given New England a tough match as well. This year, other than maybe the Cowboys, I don't see any competition at all for New England. Obviously since they were undefeated in the regular season in 2007 they were the odds on favorite to win but that doesn't mean it was easier than it will be this year IMO.
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They only won that game by 3 points. The NFC was tough that year. Packers and Cowboys would have given New England a tough match as well. This year, other than maybe the Cowboys, I don't see any competition at all for New England. Obviously since they were undefeated in the regular season in 2007 they were the odds on favorite to win but that doesn't mean it was easier than it will be this year IMO.
That year everyone on the planet gave them the trophy before the game was even played because of their dominance. I don't think it's the case this year. In the AFC the Steelers have the offense and the QB that can beat them and in the NFC the Giants and Packers have the QBs with plenty of experience to beat them too and have beaten them before so it's not as slam dunk as it was supposed to have been in 2007.
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That year everyone on the planet gave them the trophy before the game was even played because of their dominance. I don't think it's the case this year. In the AFC the Steelers have the offense and the QB that can beat them and in the NFC the Giants and Packers have the QBs with plenty of experience to beat them too and have beaten them before so it's not as slam dunk as it was supposed to have been in 2007.
NE beat the Steelers by 11 in Pittsburg so I don't see them as a threat. Eli and the Giants are mediocre. The Packers have a chance if their offense is at it's best. Their defense will give up a lot of points to NE so it would be a shoot out or a blowout in favor of NE. It may not be a slam dunk but NE's chances are quite good.
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NE beat the Steelers by 11 in Pittsburg so I don't see them as a threat. Eli and the Giants are mediocre. The Packers have a chance if their offense is at it's best. Their defense will give up a lot of points to NE so it would be a shoot out or a blowout in favor of NE. It may not be a slam dunk but NE's chances are quite good.
I agree with you that their chances are quite good but not as good as in 2007. To put it in numbers the 2007 team had an insane 57.5% chance of winning and this year's team has a 35% chance.

BTW Rothlisberger did not play when the Pats beat them earlier this year.
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My dream scenario for SB LI:

Cowboys v Patriots*
Dak & Zeke have great games but, Dallas' D can't stop Pats
Romo has to replace a (slightly & temporarily) injured Prescott
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*Works for any AFC team but, more satisfying to beat NE
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I agree with you that their chances are quite good but not as good as in 2007. To put it in numbers the 2007 team had an insane 57.5% chance of winning and this year's team has a 35% chance.

BTW Rothlisberger did not play when the Pats beat them earlier this year.
I don't dispute those %'s but i'm curious how you came up with them.
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Cowboys v Texans
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