Join Early Retirement Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
North Korea
Old 10-17-2006, 10:40 PM   #1
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 325
North Korea

TALK ABOUT SCARY!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061017/...nkorea_nuclear

SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea said Tuesday the United Nations effectively declared war on the country when it imposed sanctions for the North's nuclear test.

North Korea wants "peace but is not afraid of war," the North's Foreign Ministry said in a statement carried by the official Korean Central News Agency.

The U.N. Security Council "resolution cannot be construed otherwise than a declaration of a war," the ministry said, calling the sanctions "a product of the U.S. hostile policy toward" North Korea.

The ministry warned that if anyone used the U.N. resolution to infringe on the country's sovereignty, North Korea "will deal merciless blows at him through strong actions."

The U.N. sanctions, approved Saturday, bans the sale of major arms to the North and orders the inspection of cargo to and from the country. It also calls for the freezing of assets of business supplying the North's nuclear and ballistic weapons programs.

The North "will closely follow the future U.S. attitude and take corresponding measures," the statement said, without specifying what those measures would be.
__________________

__________________
CybrMike is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 Early Retirement and Financial Independence Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

Are you planning to be financially independent as early as possible so you can live life on your own terms? Discuss successful investing strategies, asset allocation models, tax strategies and other related topics in our online forum community. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. No matter where you fit in you'll find that Early-Retirement.org is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with our members, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create a retirement blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Re: North Korea
Old 10-17-2006, 11:21 PM   #2
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
wabmester's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 4,459
Re: North Korea

You have to ask yourself what their endgame is.

Paradoxical as it may seem, Pyongyang staged the test as a last-ditch effort to jump-start a bilateral dialogue on the normalization of relations that the United States has so far spurned.

Article
__________________

__________________
wabmester is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: North Korea
Old 10-17-2006, 11:30 PM   #3
Full time employment: Posting here.
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 699
Re: North Korea

I think they have to conduct a second test anyway to save face, because their first one was just shy of being a dud. So they need some excuse, like calling sanctions an act of war.

I actually have very little fear of them ever doing anything to anyone outside their borders, because they know they would lose anything they started.


__________________
bpp is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: North Korea
Old 10-18-2006, 09:06 AM   #4
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
retire@40's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,670
Re: North Korea

I'm no nuclear expert, but isn't every test = one less nuclear weapon they possess? The question then would be, how many weapons do they have and how many more can they make?

Also, I think the US is in a situation with NK in that we know we can't attack first and even if we did, we can't go in alone. So, through and with the help of other nations, we are doing everything we can to make NK make the first move so the blame for all the war casualties can be put squarely on NK.

Unless a NK general can put a bullet in Il's head, I think this could get very bloody before there is a real resolution.
__________________
No man is free who is not master of himself. --- Epictetus
Enjoy Yourself (It's Later Than You Think). --- Guy Lombardo
retire@40 is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: North Korea
Old 10-18-2006, 09:14 AM   #5
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
frayne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: 19th Hole
Posts: 2,529
Re: North Korea

NK is a festering boil on the arse of mother earth. At some point in time a lancing will be needed. The day they ever use a nuke, will be their last best day.
__________________
A totally unblemished life is only for saints.
frayne is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: North Korea
Old 10-18-2006, 09:15 AM   #6
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,666
Re: North Korea

True, more tests means less available material for bombs. However, NK is still producing material so it is a temporary improvement at best.

I have been hearing on the news that the last thing China wants is to have tens of millions of North Koreans fleeing into China if NK collapses.
I wonder if the US made a deal with China that we would give them financial and or disaster relief (we can send them Micheal Brown ) if such events occurred.
Perhaps then China would take a stronger stance with better results than the US trying to play hardball.
__________________
"We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.
(Ancient Indian Proverb)"
Zathras is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: North Korea
Old 10-18-2006, 09:20 AM   #7
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
MasterBlaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,359
Re: North Korea

Some people believe that North Korea is pursueing tha bomb for their domestic political reasons. If you have a big Boogie man like the US then you only have to keep everyone whipped up against the enemy. If you can keep that up then you don't ever have to deliver on food and other domestic goods.

The scary part is that North Korea having no exports other than counterfit dollars and missile technology may sell A-bombs to the highest bidder. I'm sure that Al Kaida would pay quite a bit for a couple of those bombs.

Per the number of bombs they may have. I have read reports that suggest that they had enough fissile material for about eight bombs. However they could reprocess the nuclear power plant fuel to get enough material for around 1 extra bomb per year.
__________________
MasterBlaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: North Korea
Old 10-18-2006, 10:12 AM   #8
Full time employment: Posting here.
bosco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 987
Re: North Korea

Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBlaster
Some people believe that North Korea is pursueing tha bomb for their domestic political reasons. If you have a big Boogie man like the US then you only have to keep everyone whipped up against the enemy. If you can keep that up then you don't ever have to deliver on food and other domestic goods.
sounds like the "Bush/Goebbels/Julius Caeser" school of political science. Whip-em into a frenzy by trumping up a war, then demand that they follow you anywhere, no matter how bellicose or stupid through appeals to "patriotism".

shame on North Korea for sinking so low! if they're REALLY bad, they might use their nuke. If they are UNBELIEVABLY bad, they might use it on a civilian population! But nobody's that bad....are they?
__________________
I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.
bosco is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: North Korea
Old 10-18-2006, 10:25 AM   #9
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
FinanceDude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 12,484
Re: North Korea

The US is I'm sure telling China this is "your mess in your backyard, clean it up"..............the last thing China needs is for the US to think they can't control NK...........we're too valuable to them.

When China steps in, and threatens NK, Kim will be silent yet again.................
__________________
Consult with your own advisor or representative. My thoughts should not be construed as investment advice. Past performance is no guarantee of future results (love that one).......:)


This Thread is USELESS without pics.........:)
FinanceDude is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: North Korea
Old 10-18-2006, 10:30 AM   #10
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
HFWR's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Lawn chair in Texas
Posts: 12,964
Re: North Korea

I believe the more significant problem is a massive attack on SK with conventional weapons...

Obviously, the USA, Russia, or China could blast them back to the stone age. But then, a cherry bomb could do that...
__________________
Have Funds, Will Retire

...not doing anything of true substance...
HFWR is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: North Korea
Old 10-18-2006, 10:51 AM   #11
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,487
Re: North Korea

Quote:
NK is a festering boil on the arse of mother earth.
well said.
__________________
d is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: North Korea
Old 10-18-2006, 01:25 PM   #12
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,898
Re: North Korea

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zathras
.

I have been hearing on the news that the last thing China wants is to have tens of millions of North Koreans fleeing into China if NK collapses.
I wonder if the US made a deal with China that we would give them financial and or disaster relief (we can send them Micheal Brown ) if such events occurred.
Perhaps then China would take a stronger stance with better results than the US trying to play hardball.
You mean that the US would make a deal that China would lend us even more so that we could give them disaster relief? We are already up to our eyeballs in debt to China. If the fed has to raise interest rates and we have to borrow more at higher rates, we will be not only in debt to China, but probably willing to make whatever deal they want.
__________________
Zoocat is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: North Korea
Old 10-18-2006, 02:19 PM   #13
Moderator Emeritus
Nords's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Oahu
Posts: 26,616
Re: North Korea

Quote:
Originally Posted by CybrMike
SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea said Tuesday the United Nations effectively declared war on the country when it imposed sanctions for the North's nuclear test.
AFAIK neither side has signed a peace treaty in the last 50 years, so technically nothing's changed.

Talk is a lot cheaper than war.
__________________
*
*

The book written on E-R.org, "The Military Guide to Financial Independence and Retirement", on sale now! For more info see "About Me" in my profile.
I don't spend much time here anymore, so please send me a PM. Thanks.
Nords is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: North Korea
Old 10-19-2006, 09:37 AM   #14
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
Gone4Good's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 5,381
Re: North Korea

Quote:
Originally Posted by wab
You have to ask yourself what their endgame is.

Paradoxical as it may seem, Pyongyang staged the test as a last-ditch effort to jump-start a bilateral dialogue on the normalization of relations that the United States has so far spurned.

Article
That Pyongyang wants "normalization" with the US on anything other than NK's terms seems highly suspect.

As far as Dear Leader's "end game", it seems pretty obvious . . . Nuclear weapons coupled with long-range ballistic missiles creates a very effective deterrent against the U.S. rendering the U.S.'s security agreement with South Korea basically moot. Will any future administration really sacrifice Seattle for Seoul? And once NK can credibly threaten the US homeland, will an aging Kim Jung Il really be deterred by the threat of US retaliation? With the U.S. put in its box, Dear Leader has a free hand to "unify" the Korean peninsula under the flag of Pyongyang - which is, of course, Dear Leaders end game.

Meanwhile, the never-ending "dialogue" at the U.N. gives Dear Leader all the time he needs to perfect the technology required to bring this end game to fruition.
__________________
Retired early, traveling perpetually.
Gone4Good is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: North Korea
Old 12-18-2006, 09:57 AM   #15
Moderator Emeritus
Nords's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Oahu
Posts: 26,616
Re: North Korea

Looks like the scientific community's assessment of their weapons test is getting some press:

"Kim's Big Fizzle"
__________________
*
*

The book written on E-R.org, "The Military Guide to Financial Independence and Retirement", on sale now! For more info see "About Me" in my profile.
I don't spend much time here anymore, so please send me a PM. Thanks.
Nords is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: North Korea
Old 12-18-2006, 10:08 AM   #16
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
FinanceDude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 12,484
Re: North Korea

Arm's race? Gotta have a nuke that actually works first............
__________________
Consult with your own advisor or representative. My thoughts should not be construed as investment advice. Past performance is no guarantee of future results (love that one).......:)


This Thread is USELESS without pics.........:)
FinanceDude is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: North Korea
Old 12-18-2006, 10:12 AM   #17
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 92
Re: North Korea

To quote the article, "Whatever happened near P'unggye on October 9, probably only Kim Jong Il's scientists know."

I wonder how many of those scientists are still alive Or has the Dear Leader decided to save face by cleaning house?
__________________

__________________
FIREd on 12/31/2006
linkerbink is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Maybe North Korea can get Bin Laden for us................ FinanceDude Other topics 16 11-03-2006 02:32 PM
MOVED: North Korea astromeria FIRE and Money 0 10-18-2006 12:05 PM
Whoa Put on the Breaks North Carolina Uh Maybe NOT newguy88 FIRE and Money 26 04-19-2006 03:41 PM
Renting in North East Florida ShokWaveRider Life after FIRE 4 08-11-2005 06:12 PM
North Korea!!!!! Tommy_Dolitte Young Dreamers 41 02-13-2005 10:06 AM

 

 
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:31 AM.
 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.