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Old 04-29-2012, 12:08 PM   #61
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I think this all comes down to the entitlement mindset too many people have. It is reinforced everywhere. The government, parents, teachers. People are taught they are owed something by someone. I see it everywhere. Driving, Disneyland, grocery stores, restaurants, you name it. "What? There's rule? Well, those don't apply to me. I'm special. I deserve it."

I still think (hope) those people that think that way are the minority but if they are, the majority sure as hell isn't doing much about it. We shake out heads, we get mad, we might even say something. These self absorbed brats look at you like your the one out of line. That's if you're lucky. You might get a gaggle of them gang up on you and wag their fingers at you for being so selfish!

Unfortunately, these societal shifts require societal correction. You or I aren't going to teach these people to behave. Hell, they'd have to be able to admit they might be wrong in the first place. Trying to lecture someone is a fools' errand. Maybe personally satisfying, but hardly effective.
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What do you expect in a society where everyone is a victim and everyone gets a trophy?

As I posted earlier, they have no idea what you're so cranked up about and worse yet, couldn't care less.
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I think the problem is people are always generalizing everything. And lately, it seems everyone is doing it all the time.
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I think the problem is people are always generalizing everything. And lately, it seems everyone is doing it.
Michael, are you related to Yogi Berra ?
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You’re onto one of my biggest pet peeves. Putting the cell phone ahead of your immediate person to person conversation. I think it is the rudest behavior every, and very common.
Also constantly monitoring your text messages while conversing with others.
I just walk away from people if they do this.

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Same here.
I get the biggest kick out of it when they ask, after a lengthy period of time or when the cell traffic is over, "so where did you go off to?"
I just smile and wave.
My cell is set on vibrate by default when I am out in public, or on low ring volume if I am expecting a call. If no call is expected, I will leave it face down if I am seated at a table so I will see it "jump" or in my pocket so I will feel the vibration if a call or text comes in.
It takes just a few seconds to say "Excuse me, I have to answer this" and walk to a place where I will have privacy.

Here is a very good summary of Cell Phone etiquette
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_514927.html
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I used all sorts of methods (humane) to outsmart them, but a wooden stockade and chainlink combination fence was the final answer.
You didn't resort to the Brash New Yawker?
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If you think this is a recent phenomenon, consider this:
"I am going to meet people today who talk too much -- people who are selfish, egotistical, ungrateful. But I won't be surprised or disturbed, for I couldn't imagine a world without such people."

That was written around the year 170 AD by Marcus Aurelius.
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If you think this is a recent phenomenon, consider this: "I am going to meet people today who talk too much -- people who are selfish, egotistical, ungrateful. But I won't be surprised or disturbed, for I couldn't imagine a world without such people."

That was written around the year 170 AD by Marcus Aurelius.
. I expect that thirty years from now our kids will be pointing back to today as the good old days. They will have those goofy "remember when..." emails and will bemoan "the kids today."
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No, I was outnumbered 3:1.
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If you think this is a recent phenomenon, consider this:
"I am going to meet people today who talk too much -- people who are selfish, egotistical, ungrateful. But I won't be surprised or disturbed, for I couldn't imagine a world without such people."

That was written around the year 170 AD by Marcus Aurelius.
Ah, yes...whatever happened to ancient Rome? Those who don't learn from history............
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Again, I was hoping for a more civil world as I got older but, in general, there is no point crying over our lost world...we have to live in the one we have.
Except of course on ER.org, where we make-up our own reality every day.

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JP, Midpacks initial question was do you address the problem. Concerning the cell phones, I do. As it is my best friends and I let them have it every time. Does it change their behavior? Not a bit! I think they are addicted to them as it appears to me they perceive every call to be coming straight from God, Himself. I personally don't think you can change peoples behavior so I never say anything unless its my friends and they don't change either. Of course maybe I have become old and crotchety and they have just tuned my bitching out

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You are right, I'm off topic just describing the behavior that offends me. I typically don't call the people on their bad behavior. Ending the conversation and walking away if possible is fairly aggressive action for me, and classic Minnesota passive aggressive behavior.
I have commented with closer friends and family, but I don't think it sinks in. It is an addictive behavior when it comes to cell phones.

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Marko,
On a positive note, it is fun to go against this societal trend of rude behavior. I make it a point to hold the door open for people, young or old, out in public. I suspect this isn't common behavior, because of the reactions. Most people seem almost shocked, and are typically very thankful.

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You are right, I'm off topic just describing the behavior that offends me. I typically don't call the people on their bad behavior. Ending the conversation and walking away if possible is fairly aggressive action for me, and classic Minnesota passive aggressive behavior.
I have commented with closer friends and family, but I don't think it sinks in. It is an addictive behavior when it comes to cell phones.

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JP, I didn't mean to insinuate you were off topic at all. I worded poorly my comment of in a previous post where I complained about cell phone use, but I didnt address the initial question of if I ever said anything to them. I would or should be the last person to criticize someone for being off topic!
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On a positive note, it is fun to go against this societal trend of rude behavior. I make it a point to hold the door open for people, young or old, out in public. I suspect this isn't common behavior, because of the reactions. Most people seem almost shocked, and are typically very thankful.

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It's still common in better Seattle neighborhoods, as is smiling at others on some streets, letting people in to merge on the freeway -even with our influx of yahoos over the past 40 years. Seattle seems to affect them more than they infect us.

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On a positive note, it is fun to go against this societal trend of rude behavior. I make it a point to hold the door open for people, young or old, out in public. I suspect this isn't common behavior, because of the reactions. Most people seem almost shocked, and are typically very thankful.

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True. And I'm just not able to go against my mama's upbringing of "doing the right thing" regardless.

The problem is that few seem to know --or care--what the right thing is anymore. It's all 'hooray for me'. (Now I sound like a grumpy old man!!)

Mentally, I think all one can do is to 'gate off' these idiots and do your own thing. Challenging them doesn't help...we're too far gone for that.
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Teachers?!?!?!? You have got to be kidding!

Teachers are forever fighting this attitude in the classroom.
I'm not saying teachers are the source, they just educate our kids and teach what they are told to. Text books are full of this kind of bias. Someone owes you something. So much of it has been so common place that it's hard to pick out anymore. The attitudes are ingrained into our society.

Politicians don't look to make people dependent on government hand outs, but the do anyway. They are well meaning. So are parents. They don't want to to raise spoiled brats, but they subscribe to modern parenting ideals, some of which is good and some of which is complete BS.

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What do you expect in a society where everyone is a victim and everyone gets a trophy?

As I posted earlier, they have no idea what you're so cranked up about and worse yet, couldn't care less.
Exactly. They don't see cutting in line, breaking the rules or demanding they be focus of everyone's attention as being wrong. They think its their right. It's not malicious (usually). It's just the way of things. You get yours and screw other people. I believe you look out for you and yours, but only so far as you don't infringe on others. Sometimes you even give of yourself to help others. These people seem to think it's OK to get what they want out of life even at the expense of others and to them, its just how things are.
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I smile at everyone, tip my hat, and give a hearty hello, hola o bueno to all.

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I'm not saying teachers are the source, they just educate our kids and teach what they are told to.
Sometimes I think that we have a downward spiral going here, in which the the first generation of kids that were not taught well have now become teachers. Think so?
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The problem is the sign.
Obviously, it should be "Ten items or fewer."

You can hardly blame the poor guy for not knowing what to make of such an ungrammatical instruction. Maybe English wasn't his first language?

Tee-hee! My husband busted me for this use prior to our marriage. Little did we know that so quickly the pitiful, innocent apostrophe would be consistently moved to the opposite situations from its proper usage.
I am perhaps obnoxious, but when I see such signs, I read them loudly, such as (apple's, 1.59), "apple is 1.59."
But I always obey the number of items on the register sign!
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To the few who have mentioned why are have been going this way... and who to blame...

One of the blames is big business... they just do not want to hire enough people to handle the work properly... how many of us have been in phone heck... where no matter what number we push we can not find the problem that WE have... and then when we get to the end, we are told we are number 197 in line and the wait time is 97 minutes...


OR, we are wandering the aisles in a big box store and can not find any help... or if we do so someone, there is a line of 10 people waiting to get their help...

Or even where you come to a light and the cars are so backed up you will be waiting 5 to 10 minutes just to get through this one light.... and you know there is another one a mile down the road just like this one....
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