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Old 06-24-2010, 09:56 PM   #561
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I don't think this contentious thread has to continue. I'm sure BP will do the right thing.
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Old 06-25-2010, 09:02 AM   #562
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...a microcosm of the response to environmental catastrophe. Well, back to my garden.
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You need to separate the calorific value from the ignitability. Almost all hydrocarbons have a very narrow range of calorific value
Calorific values of solid, liquid and gaseous fuels 3.11.4 ....
Thanks.

If using the closest comparable, coal tar, a good amount of calories. Will need a propane torch to light it off. Like ly a smokey campfire.

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Looks like BP is willing to try about anything at this point....
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And I thought that stuff's other use was.............. Slap it on large surface wounds, then maintain pressure. Used it many time to patch up folks.
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And I thought that stuff's other use was.............. Slap it on large surface wounds, then maintain pressure. Used it many time to patch up folks.
Tampons are the perfect size for most bullet wounds.
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Perhaps if we paid Goverment inspectors more money we could get a higher quality of inspector. Then all the oil wells would work perfectly every time.
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Perhaps if we paid Goverment inspectors more money we could get a higher quality of inspector. Then all the oil wells would work perfectly every time.
It could help but if an only if the system is designed to be inspectable. Inspectability is a separate design criteria . The Titanic couldn't fill the lifeboats it had, due to corporate inertia poor planning and overconfidence. The Concorde is in a museum because the designers used an inappropriate safety model. The social goal is to minimize the joint cost of injury and safety.
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Awww. That's no fun.

I suspect that there are a few of us on this board who have been charged with inspecting the uninspectable. I know I've run across things that appeared to be designed specifically to prevent inspection. (Complex systems inside of tidily welded containers... )
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Awww. That's no fun.

I suspect that there are a few of us on this board who have been charged with inspecting the uninspectable. I know I've run across things that appeared to be designed specifically to prevent inspection. (Complex systems inside of tidily welded containers... )
Sure, that is why you get something we call "ceremonial compliance" which allows them to bleat "we complied with all government regulations" after the disaster.
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Day 68, still no big cleanup, skimming operation. Wait, there is this converted tanker supposedly capable of skimming nearly as much goop per day as so far has been collected by BP in total.

There is this holdup about inspections by EPA and USCG. And a small matter of contract from BP. Oh yeah and that pesky Jones Act waiver.

Read the PR blurb here: Huge oil-skimming ship makes Virginia stop en route to Gulf of Mexico | NOLA.com
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Day 68, still no big cleanup, skimming operation. Wait, there is this converted tanker supposedly capable of skimming nearly as much goop per day as so far has been collected by BP in total.

There is this holdup about inspections by EPA and USCG. And a small matter of contract from BP. Oh yeah and that pesky Jones Act waiver.

Read the PR blurb here: Huge oil-skimming ship makes Virginia stop en route to Gulf of Mexico | NOLA.com

500,000 barrels of water in 8-10 hours. Can you imagine if they get that thing too close to shore? There would be a dry spot.
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500,000 barrels of water in 8-10 hours. Can you imagine if they get that thing too close to shore? There would be a dry spot.
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Look at this crap..............

Oil hitting beaches by the ton - Featured Story - SunHerald.com

It's really hitting home now. Not only is tourism tanking all on the coast, wildlife may be gone for years! And just think, even if this thing is plugged in early August as planned.......we have another full month of this crap flowing into the gulf!
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Avertible catastrophe

Another example how not serious we are about solving this problem.
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Another example how not serious we are about solving this problem.
That article has me seeing red....

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Three days after the BP oil spill ..., the Netherlands offered the U.S. government ships equipped to handle a major spill, ... each Dutch ship more cleanup capacity than all the ships that the U.S. was then employing in the Gulf to combat the spill.

... witness the American reaction to the Dutch offer of help. The U.S. government responded with "Thanks but no thanks," --the Dutch government offered the use of its equipment at no charge. Even after the U.S. refused, the Dutch kept their vessels on standby, hoping the Americans would come round. By May 5, the U.S. had not come round. To the contrary, the U.S. had also turned down offers of help from 12 other governments, most of them with superior expertise and equipment --
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The voracious Dutch vessels, for example, continuously suck up vast quantities of oily water, extract most of the oil and then spit overboard vast quantities of nearly oil-free water. Nearly oil-free isn't good enough for the U.S. regulators, who have a standard of 15 parts per million -- if water isn't at least 99.9985% pure, it may not be returned to the Gulf of Mexico.
So clean up isn't any good at all, unless it is 99.9985% effective?

Now earlier, we were lectured on this forum that while the regulators may have faults, that is really the fault of the taxpayers who underfunded them. From what I take away from the above, we shouldn't spend one penny on these regulators if they aren't going to use a lick of common sense. It doesn't sound like funding is the problem to me, and it doesn't sound like money is going to fix it.

I'll agree with a comment I read that was posted to that article - BP ought to be making a STINK about this. I'm guessing they are afraid to, for fear of retaliation, but this needs to get out there.

BTW, I blame BP too - they should have had the needed clean-up equipment whether required by regs or not. But that does not let the regulators off the hook for failing their task. And I sure would like to see some real action from those in charge.

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Another example how not serious we are about solving this problem.
At some point in time, the focus has to change from how to capture the oil to just stopping the leak.
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