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Old 09-08-2005, 05:16 PM   #1
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Ok, so heres the tough question

I understand that the declaration has been made to force evacuate NO.

I was watching a couple of these evacuations this morning on tv while the baby was stomping on my kidneys.

You arent allowed to take your pets with you; dogs, cats, birds, whatever are to be left behind.

I would hazard a guess that its going to be a little longer than a week or two before people would be allowed to return to their property.

In the one case I watched, a couple of guys with plenty of canned food and bottled water, in a dry house, appearing to be perfectly a-ok, were taken out of the house by six army guys with batons, and told to leave the two dogs in the yard.

How would you deal with this?

In my case, it'd be "Sorry, but i'm not leaving my dogs to die in my yard. You might as well start beating me in the head with those sticks now. And I'll be heading back here the moment I regain consciousness.
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Re: Ok, so heres the tough question
Old 09-08-2005, 05:27 PM   #2
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How would you deal with this?

In my case, it'd be "Sorry, but i'm not leaving my dogs to die in my yard.* You might as well start beating me in the head with those sticks now.* And I'll be heading back here the moment I regain consciousness.
Give that man his ensign's bars! Don't confuse the issue with subtleties, just seek direct confrontation or death! And let someone else care for your dogs (or not) while you recover in a Texas full-care facility!!

I think I'd counter with "Sure, I'll put the dogs in the house with some water & food and then I'll be on my way. Sorry to bother you gentlemen!"

Then I'd sneak back later with leashes & transportation. They'll happily ignore you. After all they don't want to be on TV any more than you do, and they have other heads to threaten.

Maybe I'd give my name & address to Geraldo Rivera or Bill O'Reilly. But after seeing the way they treat their "customers", maybe not.

I'd find it hard to believe that the recalcitrant homeowner hasn't received a few other warnings about leaving the ol' homestead. It's also hard to believe that he has a working septic system (or some other sewage treatment facility), fresh water, sufficient food, and enough inoculations to avoid becoming even more of a burden on the local govt than he already is.
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I would have been on my way with the pets about 2 days before the hurricane struck.

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Old 09-08-2005, 08:04 PM   #4
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I don't like the idea of the government deciding when I should leave my house.*

I would appreciate them coming to my house and asking if I wanted to leave, but if I were to decide not to leave, I would appreciate them leaving me alone to live or die on my own terms.

I would not expect them to come back a second time to save me after they had given me a chance to leave with them.

They should properly make a note of my refusal for their records and be on their way.* They would have done their job.

Of course, I would have left well before the storm hit (with my pets), especially when the President of the United States comes on the air a day or two before with a recommendation to leave the area.
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I'd tell them to go "f" themselves, there's no way I'd leave my two furry kids in the backyard to starve to death or die from dehydration.

If they want to manhandle me with their batons, I'm sure that would look great on the 6 o'clock news and they better be ready to pay up after I sue them and the government.
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Chalk me up as another "I'm not leaving without the dogs" vote. Of course, if I hadn't had the brain cell required to get out in advance, I think I could have walked out by now.
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OTOH, I have seen a number of evacuation pictures that included taking the pets, even up in helicopters.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to have rescuers make people leave pets behind. Animal control people are coming from around the country to go into New Oleans to rescue animals. If they aren't rescued, they will die and become another problem.

People are losing everything, there doesn't seem a good reason to make them lose their pets too.
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I'd tell them to go "f" themselves, there's no way I'd leave my two furry kids in the backyard to starve to death or die from dehydration.

If they want to manhandle me with their batons, I'm sure that would look great on the 6 o'clock news and they better be ready to pay up after I sue them and the government.
Pretty tough talk from a Canadian... Your post got me curious about the legality of forcing NO residents to leave and I found this:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/08/ma...nda/index.html

Seems forced removal is legal and you probably wouldn't have much luck in winning that lawsuit...

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I don't like the idea of the government deciding when I should leave my house.*

I would appreciate them coming to my house and asking if I wanted to leave, but if I were to decide not to leave, I would appreciate them leaving me alone to live or die on my own terms.

I would not expect them to come back a second time to save me after they had given me a chance to leave with them.

They should properly make a note of my refusal for their records and be on their way.* They would have done their job.

Of course, I would have left well before the storm hit (with my pets), especially when the President of the United States comes on the air a day or two before with a recommendation to leave the area.
Very sensible post. Today we live in a world where the government can not only tell you to leave your house, they can also tell you what you can take,
and if they want to, they can just take the house (The Supreme Court says
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Big animal lovers live in the Eagle household. OTOH, these people are holding up progress, because the search is requiring manpower and materials that could be used usefully. There are times when idiots gotta be hit over the head. If they remain there, they can acquire disease, pass it on to others, and/or die, which will get the press to wonder "why something couldn't be done to move these people." It's hell if you do and hell if you don't. I fully agree with C-T's statement... I'd have been long gone, given the 48 hours notice, and my dogs would have been with me.

DW, otoh, believe the people should be stranded and the animals rescued. Put the animals on the boat and leave the people. Not a bad idea....
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I'd tell them to go "f" themselves, there's no way I'd leave my two furry kids in the backyard to starve to death or die from dehydration.*

If they want to manhandle me with their batons, I'm sure that would look great on the 6 o'clock news and they better be ready to pay up after I sue them and the government.* *
Actually somebody used those exact words yesterday to Dick Cheney.

Check out the video * *http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle10196.htm
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DW, otoh, believe the people should be stranded and the animals rescued.* Put the animals on the boat and leave the people.* Not a bad idea....
Interesting. My DW said the same thing last night and I agreed.
Not a bad idea...............

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Actually somebody used those exact words yesterday to Dick Cheney.

Check out the video * *http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle10196.htm
That's about what Cheney said to Pat Leahy a while ago. Now there
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Actually somebody used those exact words yesterday to Dick Cheney.

Check out the video http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle10196.htm
What Cheney said after the F U comment was hilarious!

CNN's reporter asks Cheney, "Are you getting a lot of that Mr. Vice President?"

Cheney replies, "First time I've heard it., Must be a friend of John..., er, ah - never mind."


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What Cheney said after the F U comment was hilarious!*

CNN's reporter asks Cheney, "Are you getting a lot of that Mr. Vice President?"

Cheney replies, "First time I've heard it., Must be a friend of John..., er, ah - never mind."
Actually it was probably a friend of Pat Leahy after this June 2004 exchange:

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On Tuesday, Cheney, serving in his role as president of the Senate, appeared in the chamber for a photo session. A chance meeting with Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (Vt.), the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, became an argument about Cheney's ties to Halliburton Co., an international energy services corporation, and President Bush's judicial nominees. The exchange ended when Cheney offered some crass advice.

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Pretty tough talk from a Canadian...* *Your post got me curious about the legality of forcing NO residents to leave and I found this:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/08/ma...nda/index.html

Seems forced removal is legal and you probably wouldn't have much luck in winning that lawsuit...

I can be downright bitchy and very protective when it comes to animals Being a "polite" Canadian comes in a very distant second, believe me....

I may not win that lawsuit but they would have heck of a time taking me down....it probably wouldn't be worth it to them since I can fight pretty dirty if I had to
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I can be downright bitchy and very protective when it comes to animals Being a "polite" Canadian comes in a very distant second, believe me....

I may not win that lawsuit but they would have heck of a time taking me down....it probably wouldn't be worth it to them since I can fight pretty dirty if I had to
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I agree with the other posters, I would have had my 2 Great Danes and border collie mix packed up and out of there before the storm hit. My animals are a part of my family.

OTOH, I'd like to see them come into my house and remove me. I don't even bother to lock my doors at night when I'm home alone.

Have you ever seen what a pissed off Great Dane looks like ?

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Have you ever seen what a pissed off Great Dane looks like ?

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Many years ago we lived next door to a family with a great dane. My wife and I and our three year old daughter were talking in the front yard with the neighbor, his wife and 4 year old son. Suddenly I heard my 3 year old scream and turned to see the top 3/4 of her head in the dog's mouth. Only her chin and mouth were still visible. The dog's owner and I screamed at the dog and he let her go, luckily with only a few scratches.

The dog never growled, barked or gave any sign of hostile behavior. Thought she might have done something to irritate the dog and didn't give it much thought other than to be sure we gave it a wide berth from that point on. A month later the dog bit a little girl down the street on the face and she requied over 100 stitches and plastic surgery for her wounds.

Helen, I'm sure your great dane is a wonderful dog, but you understand why I will never feel comfortable around one.

Now a sloppy old Lab, that's a much different story...

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