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Old 05-13-2013, 12:47 AM   #21
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Here's an interesting novel about an engineer/astronaut who became stuck on Mars.
This Kindle book looks interesting. But at the link I am getting the message "This title is not currently available for purchase" and it only gives a price for the audio version, not the Kindle version.

Maybe because I am in the Philippines? I have not had such a problem with Kindle books before.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:45 AM   #22
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This Kindle book looks interesting. But at the link I am getting the message "This title is not currently available for purchase" and it only gives a price for the audio version, not the Kindle version.

Maybe because I am in the Philippines? I have not had such a problem with Kindle books before.
I guess it has been sold to a major publisher and withdrawn from the self-published market. Let me check my copy and see if I can lend it to you. I'm in Indonesia. I bought it here with no problem. I've never lent a Kindle book before...I'll have to check to see how it is done.
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If an effort was made to establish infrastructure, i.e. several cargo-only trips to provide living quarters and food production capabilities and such for the Mars colonists, this might be practical. Just going to go seems, well, dumb.
When reading about this recently, I remember that that was their plan. Multiple cargo trips for a few years, while successful applicants were trained in the desert.
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PDF version is here: The Martian
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From what I have read the exposure to solar radiation will probably knock about 10-15 years off the life of a traveler to Mars. It would also create problems with reproduction.

Some experts suggest in view of that only older folks 45+ be sent. They would exchange 15 years of life, on average, for the chance to be one of the first inter-planetary explorers. I imagine many people might jump at that.
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PDF version is here: The Martian
Thanks! I downloaded it. And it is a legal download, the author gave redistribution rights as long as you redistribute for free.
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I am disappointed that only 78,000 applied.

and just like a nudist beach, it's probably all the wrong people.
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Obvious scam is obvious, as the young people on the Internet say. I'm going to assume that the US is the most expensive country and maybe China is $10. So they've already pulled in well over $1 million. Not bad for a bunch of jokers, none of whom even has a PhD, who built a website and got some free publicity by being outlandish. They say themselves, they're on target for half a million applicants. Ker-chingggg!
I'm in the US, and my fee was only $39. I'm not sure how it breaks down. Maybe Saudi Arabia or Dubai has to pay more. I didn't pay, since I'd be 67 by the time the first opportunity came, even assuming it all worked out on time. And I doubt I'd be in the first wave, or even the 100th. No credential, just enthusiasm. Plus, I'm a known cheapskate.

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Come on! There's is no comparison. Those people did not leave the planet they left their homeland but they were still on a planet where there is food and other people. Times were much more difficult yet simpler then, can you really imagine leaving everything that you have available here for nothing? Dying on another planet. Food you like. Oh the list is endless I could type for an hour but I have other stuff to do. Seriously there is no comparison to what the colonists did and going to Mars.
I disagree. It's all going into the unknown. Your reasons not to go sound exactly like what my great to the eighth grandfather would have told his son. I suspect the premature death rate of interplanetary colonists will be a little higher at than that of earlier century ones, but not by much. Remember Roanoke Island? The technology is a bit better today than it was back in the wooden ships and muzzle loader days. And the adventure! Dying on another planet isn't a problem to be avoided, it's an opportunity to be embraced. I wish I was younger, or this tech was farther along.

I also suspect the ratio of those that want to go vs those that think they (we) are crazy is probably pretty close to what it was back in the 16th century. Humanity doesn't change that much in such a short time.
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Even he wouldn't have been worried about there not being AIR where his kids were thinking of going, would he?

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I disagree. It's all going into the unknown. Your reasons not to go sound exactly like what my great to the eighth grandfather would have told his son. ch was farther along.

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Even he wouldn't have been worried about there not being AIR where his kids were thinking of going, would he?
There's going to be air. You just can't go outside and play without dressing appropriately. At least on Mars there *probably* won't be hostile natives, at least at the macroscopic level. And if there are, even cooler!
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There's going to be air.
Where from? Check out how much air a scuba diver can carry. There is no vegetation. It costs about $1 million per kilogram to put a payload into space, and they're going to ship the equipment to produce indefinite air to Mars? Better get that set up before you start erecting the tents. Oh, and make sure you never, ever, ever scratch your pressure suit on the ground.

Seriously: this project is just an exercise in gullibility. Absolutely none of the numbers can possibly add up, except that half a million applicants at up to $75 a pop is a lot of money. Maybe the five or six chosen candidates will have their $75 refunded when the mission is tragically cancelled due to being ridiculous.
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I'm not saying this trip is going to be the one that will lead to colonizing another planet, just that the opportunity is exciting and that it will hopefully happen in or shortly after my lifetime. When the time comes for a properly planned (not government managed) colonization effort there will be plenty of people who want to go, and orders of magnitudes more telling them they're crazy. In most things I'm pretty conservative, but in this one I'm definitely among the crazy.
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Plus, I'm a known cheapskate.
But do you really want to fly coach all the way to Mars?
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For an ER bunch, seems all are missing the ER aspect of this deal.

For a young couple it is an all expenses paid trip, with full accomodations, ie. food, shelter, fuel provided at US taxpayer's expense for life. To an exotic place. However short it may be.

Are divorce court fees included? Dunno. Full medical care included, with remote robotic surgery tossed in if necessary.

What will any offspring's citizenship be?
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I disagree. It's all going into the unknown. Your reasons not to go sound exactly like what my great to the eighth grandfather would have told his son. I suspect the premature death rate of interplanetary colonists will be a little higher at than that of earlier century ones, but not by much. Remember Roanoke Island? The technology is a bit better today than it was back in the wooden ships and muzzle loader days. And the adventure! Dying on another planet isn't a problem to be avoided, it's an opportunity to be embraced. I wish I was younger, or this tech was farther along.
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I'm not saying this trip is going to be the one that will lead to colonizing another planet, just that the opportunity is exciting and that it will hopefully happen in or shortly after my lifetime. When the time comes for a properly planned (not government managed) colonization effort there will be plenty of people who want to go, and orders of magnitudes more telling them they're crazy. In most things I'm pretty conservative, but in this one I'm definitely among the crazy.
The only people crazy enough to actually want to go, would become so psychotic on the voyage that they'd kill themselves and everyone else on the ship.

But if you want to get a feel for it, by all means go and spend a year in the Antarctic (in a cabin, not at a research station; they have running water and electric heating). Mars is probably only about 10 times harder to survive than that.
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For a young couple it is an all expenses paid trip, with full accomodations, ie. food, shelter, fuel provided at US taxpayer's expense for life. To an exotic place. However short it may be.
It's neither government-funded, nor a US company. The company going for the project is a private Dutch group. They wanted to fund it media-frenzy style, basically turning it into a lifelong run of Big Brother--- in Space!

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But if you want to get a feel for it, by all means go and spend a year in the Antarctic (in a cabin, not at a research station; they have running water and electric heating). Mars is probably only about 10 times harder to survive than that.
Anyone chosen has to spend 6 years in a recreation of the colony here on Earth. During that time, the cargo missions and atmospheric preparations would be made on Mars, according to the plan outlined on the group's website, with water, atmosphere, and oxygen production systems being fully in place by 2022, and the first group landing in 2023, and more groups of colonists arriving every two years after that. I'd watch this show :P
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