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Old 12-05-2010, 06:44 PM   #41
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There was a similar discussion on another board I frequent. Some lady from Canada said her bedroom window was cracked a few inches and the temp at the time was -17. She said she would close it when it got cold enough.
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Old 12-05-2010, 06:56 PM   #42
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Not this old dog.

There was a similar discussion on another board I frequent. Some lady from Canada said her bedroom window was cracked a few inches and the temp at the time was -17. She said she would close it when it got cold enough.
Yea, but that's -17 degrees C (Canadian). In Fahrenheit that's balmy.
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And what is the lowest temperature where you are?
I hear that ice is always a liquid there. I dunno how they can build anything under those extreme conditions.

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When I was younger, I lived in a house with radiators and a boiler. It was impossible to regulate. 90 degrees F in winter inside that was 20 degrees below freezing outside. If the windows hadn't been frozen shut in my room, the windows would have been open.
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And what is the lowest temperature where you are?
Well... well... well... this morning it got down to 63 degrees, but some mornings have even been in the 50s!!
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After a three year tour in Germany we rotated to Hawaii in January. The first day of work I showed up at work in a short sleeved uniform. The civilian secretaries could not believe I was not cold! Three years later they were right, it was jackets on the flight line!
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To those who crack the windows open to get "fresh" air, I have a question. What kind of air do you have in your house before you open the windows?

Does the air get "stale" (if so, describe how you know it is stale)? Odoriferous from lots of cooking? Too much B.O. (and I don't mean the Commander in Chief, so let's not get political!)?

Just curious. I have a 38 year old house with original windows and we open the door many times per day even if we never leave the house. I am assuming we get plenty of "fresh air" circulating passively from not having an air tight house.
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To those who crack the windows open to get "fresh" air, I have a question. What kind of air do you have in your house before you open the windows?

Does the air get "stale" (if so, describe how you know it is stale)? Odoriferous from lots of cooking? Too much B.O. (and I don't mean the Commander in Chief, so let's not get political!)?

Just curious. I have a 38 year old house with original windows and we open the door many times per day even if we never leave the house. I am assuming we get plenty of "fresh air" circulating passively from not having an air tight house.
It's simple. Some people like the feeling of airflow, so we take steps to achieve this.

But to directly address your point, usually indoor air is more polluted than the outdoor air- so almost any indoor air quality can be improved by exchange with the outdoors.

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It's simple. Some people like the feeling of airflow, so we take steps to achieve this.
Thanks - so "fresh air" = "air flow" or a breeze. Gotcha. I understand that - I like a little breeze too when it is warm. I guess I was wondering if people had a distaste for "stale" air or "old" air and just wanted "different" air.

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But to directly address your point, usually indoor air is more polluted than the outdoor air- so almost any indoor air quality can be improved by exchange with the outdoors.
I have actually heard the exact opposite on this point. Outside air has a lot of automobile exhaust and the resultant chemicals (SOX, NOX, Ozone, CO, VOC/HC, etc) and entrained particulate matter (mostly from natural sources in drier areas, but diesel combustion produces a significant amount too if your house is near a road, particularly a truck route). Not to mention seasonal allergens like pollen.

Sometimes we open a window if we just made some smokey or stinky food or burnt something (ie blackened pan fried fish or pan fried sausage/bacon). Otherwise we are generally satisfied with the indoor air quality and characteristics (though it does get a little dry in the winter). My in-laws, coming from an ethnic immigrant community, frequently have their windows or door open in the middle of summer heat or winter cold. But it is usually to air out some very pungent foods (fish, intestines, shrimp paste, etc).
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I have actually heard the exact opposite on this point. Outside air has a lot of automobile exhaust and the resultant chemicals (SOX, NOX, Ozone, CO, VOC/HC, etc) and entrained particulate matter (mostly from natural sources in drier areas, but diesel combustion produces a significant amount too if your house is near a road, particularly a truck route). Not to mention seasonal allergens like pollen.
We call those "tropical tradewinds"...
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Just curious. I have a 38 year old house with original windows and we open the door many times per day even if we never leave the house. I am assuming we get plenty of "fresh air" circulating passively from not having an air tight house.
+1. A "tight" home (one that professionals might judge to need active ventilation, possibly using a heat recovery system) experiences natural air infiltration to the extent that less than 1/4th of the air in the home is exchanged with the outside air every hour. (Source) Most homes fall well short of this, with Estimated Natural Infiltration Rates (ENIRs) of .35 to over 1 per hour. Given the amount of outside air that comes into the average home under normal circumstances, opening the windows to get "fresh air" seems unnecessary unless there's something generating a lot of "pollution" inside (CO/H2O from a room heater, large amounts of water vapor from cooking/washing clothes/showers, etc).

I've never heard a sensible explanation for why authorities tell people to stay in their homes when air pollution levels are high--am I supposed to believe that ozone levels inside my house are materially different than outside?
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We have the original 36 year old single pane wooden windows with aluminum storms on our house. The term "tight" is not applicable for us . It's been cold and windy lately and the constant rattle of the storms and movement of the curtains lets us know that we are getting plenty of fresh air infiltration. Most of our neighbors have double and triple pane new storms with argon gas insulation. What fun is that?? This way we give the cold a fighting chance . Plus, we feel a lot better about the carbon monoxide level (we have oil heat) with leaky windows.
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I've never heard a sensible explanation for why authorities tell people to stay in their homes when air pollution levels are high--am I supposed to believe that ozone levels inside my house are materially different than outside?
I think this advice is right there with "duck and cover" in case of nuclear attack.
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She does not pay her heating bill or is rich or not informed ...

Here in Canada the Great White North, window manufacturers try to improve the efficiency of windows so that it keeps the heat inside. Windows are at least double pane, some are even triple pane to keep the heat inside.

Home owners spend thousands of dollars to replace their leaky old windows with newer windows.

If I left my windows open in the winter, I would go broke

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When are you going ? I will be in Florida this Xmas
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--am I supposed to believe that ozone levels inside my house are materially different than outside?
I have no data or expert knowledge, but it seems that inside air most likely contains exactly the same pollutants as outside air plus whatever gets added by outgassing and other indoor pollution sources. It might well be true that the concentrations of outdoor source pollutants exhibit damped and time-lagged fluctuations, relative to outside.

But after all, all air was "outside air" at one time.

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Couple of things I've taken some time to get used to here in paradise: Local people dig in their closets for hooded sweat shirts or even winter coats (like we used to wear in the midwest) when the temp drops down into the 60s (at night). Second, no window in our place closes tightly. They close enough to keep the rain out, but that's about it. With all the windows closed, there's a gale force wind blowing though the place when the trades are running at 20. I actually like the breezes at night but I guess I lived too long where we ran around stuffing rags into air leaks in the winter time.

Here, if it gets really cold (below 60) we throw a blanket over the sheet.
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I have no data or expert knowledge, but it seems that inside air most likely contains exactly the same pollutants as outside air plus whatever gets added by outgassing and other indoor pollution sources. It might well be true that the concentrations of outdoor source pollutants exhibit damped and time-lagged fluctuations, relative to outside.

But after all, all air was "outside air" at one time.

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That's what I think, too. So why do the local air quality officials everywhere tell people to stay inside when the air quality gets cruddy? It's just as cruddy, or worse, inside.
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This morning Frank is coming over early, so I actually set my alarm. When it was time to get up, I jumped up, showered, dressed, brushed my hair, made the bed, put away laundry and started another load, made coffee, unplugged my cell phone and put it in my purse, started the dishwasher and took out the trash... all in the first ten minutes after awakening. ZING! This is how I enjoy starting the day, an old habit after years of w*rk.

Once the coffee was done, I opened the side door and turned down the heat. Right now I am enjoying the cool, fresh, well oxygenated 41F air flowing through the house as I rest and drink my morning coffee. I think inside air gets stuffy after a while and when I have been running around like that, outside air is nice and cool. I regard it as free air conditioning.

I'll probably close the door in few minutes.
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