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Old 03-24-2007, 10:42 AM   #21
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I would think that the Irish passport would be good in that you could use it to live in the whole of the EU (if I am not mistaken
That's true. I could move to the South of France and live beyond my means, or to Romania......and I believe Hungary has a lot going for it. When I RE I will have more time to explore!

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Old 03-24-2007, 10:52 AM   #22
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I have a colleague who visits Cuba annually and does community work. She tells me that there is a movement in Cuba in favour of joining the US after Castro dies. I can't imagine why a nation would want to join forces with its oppressor.
Perhaps after living for half a century in the warm embrace of the Glorious Revolution of Comandante en Jefe Fidel Castro, the citizens of Cuba have a different view of what defines "oppression".


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Hmmmm... speeding is illegal, but I would not relate it to murder... both are illegal... most of us speed, very very few murder.
Of course, I agree that there are more and less serious crimes. But if someone in Cuba were going to stamp my US passport, it would make me nervous. If you are a US citizen and have another passport, say, Canadian an have that one stamped, it is still a crime in the US for you to go to Cuba, even if you never set foot in the states before or after in your life (America is so powerful it feels the need to legislate people that aren't even on American soil). However, a US passport is the property of the US government. Having indisputable proof placed in my US passport that I had violated an American law, especially a law as irrational and obviously right-wing politically motivated as that one, is just not something I would do....

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Of course, I agree that there are more and less serious crimes. But if someone in Cuba were going to stamp my US passport, it would make me nervous. If you are a US citizen and have another passport, say, Canadian an have that one stamped, it is still a crime in the US for you to go to Cuba, even if you never set foot in the states before or after in your life (America is so powerful it feels the need to legislate people that aren't even on American soil). However, a US passport is the property of the US government. Having indisputable proof placed in my US passport that I had violated an American law, especially a law as irrational and obviously right-wing politically motivated as that one, is just not something I would do....

to each his own.
A political rant about the great right wing conspiracy....

Let's see... was it not a Democratic president that had a fail invasion of Cuba And wasn't the embargo started under HIS administration (gee, YES)... and nobody since has changed it, including a number of Democratic presidents.... yes, it is obviously a right wing politically motivated embargo...

NOW, are the repubs continuing it to get political points... yes... that might have been enough to get Bush Florida on the first election.. the CUBA people in the US don't want it lifted..

I do agree about the newer laws that prohibit anyone from doing business etc etc, but now that there is a Democratic congress, I will be waiting for that legislation any day now...
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A political rant about the great right wing conspiracy....

Let's see... was it not a Democratic president that had a fail invasion of Cuba And wasn't the embargo started under HIS administration (gee, YES)... and nobody since has changed it, including a number of Democratic presidents.... yes, it is obviously a right wing politically motivated embargo...

NOW, are the repubs continuing it to get political points... yes... that might have been enough to get Bush Florida on the first election.. the CUBA people in the US don't want it lifted..

I do agree about the newer laws that prohibit anyone from doing business etc etc, but now that there is a Democratic congress, I will be waiting for that legislation any day now...
well, I hadn't really brought up Democrats vs Repubs, not sure it's relevant here. Both parties have kept the Cuba bs dialed up, or at least tolerated it. It's not a right-wing conspiracy. It's a more broad-based incarnation of idiocy. For the sake of a small special interest group's longing for the days 50 years ago when you could make "real money" running a casino, an entire foreign policy is established and maintained, essentially based on an electoral computation. Be honest--doesn't that embarrass you just a little bit??

C'mon....Cuba isn't worse than at least a dozen other countries that the US gleefully trades with. Give them credit--despite their lower standard of living, they have a high literacy rate and health care. How were things under Batista? What about free trade, construtive engagement, all those conservative buzzwords that seem to apply here? If Castro is so bad, why punish his people? Besides....the cigars really are good!

nobody likes Castro, but enough is enough with the Cuba embargo already. It really looks silly at this point. Maybe if the dems take the white house they will finally get it together to end the nonsense. Personally, I'm not betting on it. If I were a betting man, I'd lay money on the wimp-out option. They seem to be good at it.
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C'mon....Cuba isn't worse than at least a dozen other countries that the US gleefully trades with. Give them credit--despite their lower standard of living, they have a high literacy rate and health care. How were things under Batista? What about free trade, construtive engagement, all those conservative buzzwords that seem to apply here?
nobody likes Castro, but enough is enough with the Cuba embargo already. It really looks silly at this point. Maybe if the dems take the white house they will finally get it together to end the nonsense. Personally, I'm not betting on it. If I were a betting man, I'd lay money on the wimp-out option. They seem to be good at it.
First.... sorry for the thread hijack....

Bosco... come on now....

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well, I hadn't really brought up Democrats vs Repubs, not sure it's relevant here.

Your previous post...

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Having indisputable proof placed in my US passport that I had violated an American law, especially a law as irrational and obviously right-wing politically motivated as that one, is just not something I would do....
That looks to me like you brought it up...

Also... according to Wiki.... "In 1999, U.S. President Bill Clinton expanded the trade embargo even further by ending the practice of foreign subsidiaries of U.S. companies trading with Cuba in dollar amounts totaling more than 700 million a year." So, don't hold your breath for the dems to change anything even if they win all branches...

And, (again wiki)... "The current regulation does not limit travel of US Citizens to Cuba per se, but it makes it illegal for US Citizens to have transactions (spend money or receive gifts) in Cuba under most circumstances without a US government Office of Foreign Assets Control issued licens"

SO, it does look like you can travel to Cuba and not be illegal if you get your friend to pay for everything while there....

Finally... "It is estimated that each year some 80,000 Americans visit Cuba, including over 3,000 business visits." seems like a lot of people are going... even though they aren't suppose to...

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C'mon....Cuba isn't worse than at least a dozen other countries that the US gleefully trades with.
Agree... and also agree that it is stupid to keep it going... it does nothing for us.. but, I doubt we would be importing that much from them anyhow... and it would probably not be a big buyer of our exports... (small country wiht not much money)... still, it should be overturned and I would bet that when Castro dies it will be...

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