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Re: Peter Jennings - A sad way out
Old 08-12-2005, 01:43 PM   #21
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I feel for all who have been been hit by the pain of cancer, in one way or another.
My mother resumed smoking when her breast cancer metastasized into her bones. I don't think it helped her immune system or any other part of her body/psyche, but at that point her entire attitude was "Why fight it."

So it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. It wasn't much different from the 9mm approach, but it was a lot longer and more painful... for her too.

But at least my father has quit smoking for good. And we kids never started.
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Re: Peter Jennings - A sad way out
Old 08-12-2005, 04:21 PM   #22
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Smoking killed my mother. I've never smoked but I have seen with her and others how incredibly hard it is to quit. Even when she knew that the smoking would kill her, due to the deteriorated condition of her lungs, she couldn't stop, and so it did kill her.

It alternately breaks my heart or infuriates me to see anyone smoke.
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My brother died of lung cancer at age 45. He was diagnosed on Halloween and died 3/17, on my birthday. I thought of it as a birthday present, because I knew that he was not suffering anymore and that he was going to a much better place. He had quit smoking 2 years prior to getting it. He also worked in a rubber factory and was around alot of chemicals. I quit smoking 12/31/85 and if I ever get any type of cancer, I will blame it on my own stupidity. I keep wondering if I should pay for a CAT screen to see if I do have lung cancer, so that I could start getting treatment. My brother had radiation treatment, but his cancer was inoperable and the doctor said there was no need for chemo. I would definitely rather go, by the big one!

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My brother died of lung cancer at age 45.* He was diagnosed on Halloween and died 3/17, on my birthday.* I thought of it as a birthday present, because I knew that he was not suffering anymore and that he was going to a much better place.* He had quit smoking 2 years prior to getting it.* He also worked in a rubber factory and was around alot of chemicals.* I quit smoking 12/31/85 and if I ever get any type of cancer, I will blame it on my own stupidity.* I keep wondering if I should pay for a CAT screen to see if I do have lung cancer, so that I could start getting treatment.* My brother had radiation treatment, but his cancer was inoperable and the doctor said there was no need for chemo.* I would definitely rather go, by the big one!

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I know (knew?) lots of people who died of cancer, but can't think of one
who died of lung cancer. Odd. Anyway, one of my good friends,
(I've posted about him - both parents still living - unusual for our age)
has a father in his late 80s. He has cancer, uses a walker, is mostly
blind and mostly deaf. His mother is about the same age, still puffs
Viceroys and is doing fine. Like I said, smoking is a bad bet but some
people do beat the odds.

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My dad was a heavy smoker for at least 50 years before he had a heart attack and quit ( I quit at that time also). He recovered and continued to play tennis daily into his 80's. Dad was diagnosed with lung cancer at age 89 and died within a few months. On the other hand, Mom did not smoke but developed alzheimers in her 70's. She rapidly became unable to care for herself. She spent the last 3 years of her life in a nursing home and also died at age 89.

I am a cancer survivor. I had testicular cancer (like Lance Armstrong) in 1983. I would not wish that experience on anyone. However, I would certainly prefer the rapid way my father went with lung cancer than the path my mom had to follow. I hope that I will have the courage to take the 9mm option instead if I am facing a terminal illness.

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* I hope that I will have the courage to take the 9mm option instead if I am facing a terminal illness.

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Sure nice to retain the option.

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Option wise - still prefer the bottle of vodka and snowbank.

Pleasant trip up North - and being single - leave the credit card unpaid. Of course with a big enough bill - the estate might be dunned.

Heh, heh, heh - there is always snow somewhere.
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I feel your pain too Windsurf. My brother had a cancerous tumour removed from his back last summer. When he was discussing radiation treatment with his doc he casually told the doctor that our parents lived up into their 80's and that he always assumed he would as well. The doctor's reply..."you won't live to be an old man." Well he was correct as my brother died in March at the age of 56. I guess there is a fine line in being honest with a patient and giving false hope, but hope is all a cancer patient has. When that is lost the will to live is lost.
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I feel your pain too Windsurf. My brother had a cancerous tumour removed from his back last summer. When he was discussing radiation treatment with his doc he casually told the doctor that our parents lived up into their 80's and that he always assumed he would as well. The doctor's reply..."you won't live to be an old man." Well he was correct as my brother died in March at the age of 56. I guess there is a fine line in being honest with a patient and giving false hope, but hope is all a cancer patient has. When that is lost the will to live is lost.
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I would hope that I would never comtemplate suicide. However, if I was facing a terminal illness and felt well enough, I would take up skydiving and all of the over things that I am too afraid to do now, but think would be neat things to do. If the parachute did not open, oh well!!

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The doctor's reply..."you won't live to be an old man." Well he was correct as my brother died in March at the age of 56. I
That is harsh. To me it's essential that doctors tell patients the whole, straight truth, but they need to have a class in med school on compasion, IMO.

My dad was trying to find out how his heart condition (atrial fibrillation) was going to affect his life, and his doctor told him, "well I wouldn't buy your toothpaste in the big tube." Dad found it humorous.
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I would hope that I would never comtemplate suicide.* However, if I was facing a terminal illness and felt well enough, I would take up skydiving and all of the over things that I am too afraid to do now, but think would be neat things to do.* If the parachute did not open, oh well!! Dreamer
That logic bears examining.

If it's a neat thing to do then is it really necessary to wait until you're at death's door? Is there a better way to overcome the fear, or how long are you willing to be limited by that?

I have six static-line jumps to my credit and it certainly gets your blood pumping, but there are too many other things that I'd rather be doing. I guess it's nice to know that I have something to fall back on, so to speak, if I ever get tired of surfing or yardwork...
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I agree Nords. I am such a wimp!

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