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I'll take my chances - I'm staying with XP 30 26.55%
Change is good - I'm going with Win 8. I want my desktop to look like a phone 0 0%
Change is required (but I long for the past) - I'm going with Win 8, but going to use Classic Shell to make my desktop look like Win XP or Win 7 3 2.65%
I've already upgraded to Win 7 or 8 55 48.67%
I don't to Windows 14 12.39%
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Old 03-09-2014, 09:39 AM   #61
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I am sitting here on my XP Professional desktop built by me in 2008 or so, that runs perfectly fine and is maxed out with 2 GB RAM, two hard drives in RAID 0, lots of video memory on a discrete card, a 24" Acer monitor, etc. It's going to hurt shutting this beast down someday.

I do have a Win 7 box sitting in the closet that I picked up from w*rk that was used as a local print server at one time. That is my back up when my XP machine dies...(whenever that will be)!
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And that's really the point: We don't talk about upgrades to MacOS solely in terms of the upgrade to OSX, and we therefore shouldn't talk about upgrades to Windows solely in terms of the upgrade to Vista.

That's only half the point. The pain of upgrade is one thing, having to deal with the new operating system is another. OSX was great within a few months of its introduction. Vista was a goat rodeo that festered for two years. Let's hope they do better with Windows 8
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They already have made Windows 8 substantially better (with 8.1) - already good enough to be considered good enough - and there's another enhancement coming out soon.
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That's only half the point. The pain of upgrade is one thing, having to deal with the new operating system is another. OSX was great within a few months of its introduction. Vista was a goat rodeo that festered for two years. Let's hope they do better with Windows 8
Obviously you have a great dislike of VISTA. When I retired I needed a new pc as I was now not able to do my surfing at work and bought a custom made local machine. It used VISTA HP 64 bit as the OS. I could have chosen XP and we used XP-Pro in work for years but I went with VISTA as it was the new OS, this was 4/2008. VISTA looked a bit different but I was able to figure it out no big deal. It is running just fine, it has always run just fine and I have no desire to change the OS. If this machine is running OK in 2017 then I'll upgrade when support is dropped.

It seems to me people that use Apple products have a sense of superiority that they are above us mere MS mortals. Now I have never used any Apple products so they may well be the cats meow but "goat rodeo"? Come on.
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I've been on both sides.

Back when I used to w*rk, the place was primarily Win. But I like the old pre-OS X Apple.

In the meantime, I hated Win 98 (crashed on me almost every time) but it took a long time for me to trust another system by Windows called XP. When Apple OS X came along, I went Apple, but found that not as easy to use as Pre OS X. Maybe had I waited until later releases, I would've been happy at the Apple side. Instead, I actually came to like XP and at that time, compared to both OS X and Win 98, XP was much more stable (plus, seemed more organized).

I hated Vista, and when I've dodged Win 8 (but it seems like folks on 8.1 are happy). I think one problem with Vista and the initial start up of 8 (helped a sister who said she didn't know how to use her PC because of the tiles) is both were a bit insulting (too much hand holding). Like on Vista, the reminders "Do you want to delete, Do you really want to delete? Are you sure? (I exaggerated a bit, but you get the picture).

So for now, I moving toward Win 7 (if I can only get a darn graphics card installed properly ).
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I have an ancient computerized embroidery sewing machine which needs both the Win95 laptop and the XP laptop to make and edit stitches and patterns. I have neutered the computers and do not connect to the Internet. Other than those, my spouse finally lured me to the Mac side, with a whisper quiet Macbook Air.
IN that case another option is to buy 8.1 pro and use the Hyper-v to run a copy of XP as a guest on the system. (Could also use the equivalent feature in Windows 7 as well). One question is how does the sewing machine connect to the computer, and if that would work with the virutal machine model. Note that if you have old old dos programs there are programs like Dosbox that will install a dos vm on windows and let you run Wfw 3.11 in the box.
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Well...got my computer set up for Win 7.

So I can officially say I'm all good to go come April 8
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Poll: April 8 is D-Day For Windows XP, What Will You Do?

Already handled that problem a long time ago - switched to Linux for those (now) rare occasions I use a PC. Got tired of buying new OS all the time, then needing to buy more advanced hardware to run the grossly over designed software. Didn't get to FIRE by wasting money.
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The only Windows XP machine I have left (a laptop) is effectively now a WMA Player attached to a component stero, since the cd player attached to it died. Its much easier if you rip the cds to a file and you can play a long playlist. Since I no longer web surf on it, and it is behind a firewall, it should be safe.
If I still needed XP software I would look at going to a virtual machine on windows 7 or 8.
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Today I took dive into Linux.

Have DW's hand me down Dell 4550 PC. She decided to go with a Laptop to replace the boat anchor tower. Her laptop came with win 8.1 which I promptly modified with the classic interface insted of the stupid tiles which she hated.

The upshot is that I got .iso of Linux Mint 16 which I burned to DVD. 1.2 GB. Then discovered that the machine has no DVD. Today got a 8 GB Usb stick for $9.-.
Got the .iso written to the stick. Then found the machine had no bios support for USB boot. On to getting a multi boot program onto a CD.

Now was ready for the install. Booted the Dell, which booted to CD, which gave option to boot from USB. Up came Linux Mint. It recognized the 1440x900 native resolution of the display which XP never managed. The OS ran from the USB.

Took the option to install on the hard drive. 20 minutes later it was up and running. Another 10minutes and automatic updates of all the latest packages system was finalized, with Firefox, Thunderbird, an open office version of everything MS office dooes, VLC and a bunch more stuff. Another 5 minutes to sync favorites to Firefox. And I was online. Did al the nework configuration with no input from me. Found all the pc's on the network. And it did not need to reboot dozens of times to get to final configuration.

Last time I dealt with any flavor of Unix was some 30 years ago, on Sun systems.
Awesome. At no cost and no authorization garbage with mixrosoft.

The last time I had to install XP, took some 4 hours and a whole lot of misery in getting it authorized, updated, find drivers, homogenized. And then some more hours installing User software. Reboouting constantly.

Bottom line, as time passes, Microsoft will be eradicated on my machines, especially if can run my OBDII automotive diagnostics progrms via WINE under linux. Am back to being unix/linux newbie. Need to rejuvenate some long dormant brain cells.
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Today I took dive into Linux.

Have DW's hand me down Dell 4550 PC. She decided to go with a Laptop to replace the boat anchor tower. Her laptop came with win 8.1 which I promptly modified with the classic interface insted of the stupid tiles which she hated.

The upshot is that I got .iso of Linux Mint 16 which I burned to DVD. 1.2 GB. Then discovered that the machine has no DVD. Today got a 8 GB Usb stick for $9.-.
Got the .iso written to the stick. Then found the machine had no bios support for USB boot. On to getting a multi boot program onto a CD.

Now was ready for the install. Booted the Dell, which booted to CD, which gave option to boot from USB. Up came Linux Mint. It recognized the 1440x900 native resolution of the display which XP never managed. The OS ran from the USB.

Took the option to install on the hard drive. 20 minutes later it was up and running. Another 10minutes and automatic updates of all the latest packages system was finalized, with Firefox, Thunderbird, an open office version of everything MS office dooes, VLC and a bunch more stuff. Another 5 minutes to sync favorites to Firefox. And I was online. Did al the nework configuration with no input from me. Found all the pc's on the network. And it did not need to reboot dozens of times to get to final configuration.

Last time I dealt with any flavor of Unix was some 30 years ago, on Sun systems.
Awesome. At no cost and no authorization garbage with mixrosoft.

The last time I had to install XP, took some 4 hours and a whole lot of misery in getting it authorized, updated, find drivers, homogenized. And then some more hours installing User software. Reboouting constantly.

Bottom line, as time passes, Microsoft will be eradicated on my machines, especially if can run my OBDII automotive diagnostics progrms via WINE under linux. Am back to being unix/linux newbie. Need to rejuvenate some long dormant brain cells.
I'm about to install Mint on my desktop (Win XP box - custom built be me) and will try it in a virtual partition. If I like it, I can do a clean install later. I hope it finds my networked printers.
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I'm about to install Mint on my desktop (Win XP box - custom built be me) and will try it in a virtual partition. If I like it, I can do a clean install later. I hope it finds my networked printers.
Sounds good. FYI, the next LTS (14.04) version of Ubuntu (which Mint is based on) will be out next month, Mint LTS should be pretty close behind.

When I did a fresh install of 12.04, I looked at Mint and I liked it. For reasons that I do not recall now (Mint was pretty new then), I went with Xubuntu instead. I'll take another look at each shortly after the LTS release.

I recently purchased an HL-2270DW Brother networked printer. I haven't had any problems getting it set up, and my Linux and DW & DD's Macs print it it as well.

IIRC, and I don't think it was related to Linux, but I think I did hit some bumps trying to get to the printer with it connected wirelessly to the router. But my router is near the printer, so I connected an Ethernet cable from router to printer, and that worked. All the computers are wireless as they print.

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Sounds good. FYI, the next LTS (14.04) version of Ubuntu (which Mint is based on) will be out next month, Mint LTS should be pretty close behind.

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I have not yet installed remote printer. At first look my Epson 845 is not listed. When I get back to it will try the internet printer finder. This machine is in my basement workshop. It was a curiosity thing, with a pleasant surprise.

Seems Linux mint is updated aboy every six months. I'll need to learn mpre about what that means. Though I figure once it is fully up and runing, stop messing with success, unless a real good reason is found.

ERD50, Thanks for info on Ubuntu base.
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Update on the Linux adventure.

Am writing this on the Linux OS, Firefox on the Dell. Some looking about and found a .deb package for the Epson 845 printer on the Epson website. They claim no support, but had two versions for this printer, one was .rpm. Good thing as the .rpm would have to be converted to .deb for MINT.

Downloaded and used GDebi package installer, which got all the necessary support files and installed the printer driver. I had reconfigured the printer to run in wireless mode as a network printer. Previously it was USB wired to my Sony all in one. Successfully found the printer on the network. Actually was easier than on win7. Te system associated the driver with the printer. Sent a test page. Success!

If I get ambitious wil get the .deb file for the scanner feature. In two years have yet to scan anything to PC, so may not actually happen unless curiosity gets the better of me.
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.... Successfully found the printer on the network. Actually was easier than on win7. The system associated the driver with the printer. Sent a test page. Success! ...
When I first started with Linux, I was expecting everything to be harder, and was not sure I'd stick with it. My experience has generally been the opposite - I find things easier to get set up on Linux, and I'm still pretty much all thumbs in the terminal.

Now when I troubleshoot on DW's MacBook Pro, I end up cursing at all the rocks that get thrown in my way. Do a search for a file that I know is there, and nothing is returned. What the heck? Oh, the default is to hide system files from searches - great, takes about 6 clicks multi-levels deep to include system files in the search, and it won't remember that, so do it every time.

And then the Mac won't show hidden files - turns out you need to go into the terminal and send a magic command to enable that, and then kill/restart the finder to switch back-forth. In Linux, just hit CNTRL+H to toggle that.

I think the Mac just got tabbed browsing, been using that for for the past 3+ years on Linux.


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I've got a very old scanner, and my Linux system is the only one that works with it. Drivers for the Mac and Windows have not been supported for many years, the current Linux drivers work just fine.

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I originally replied to this thread knowing that I was purchasing a new computer and it would be running Windows 7 OS so I wasn't too concerned about the demise of XP. What I failed to realize is the April 8th date also applies to Microsoft Office 2003 products.

Yikes! I despise Office 2007, 2010 and 365 for many reasons and I am not happy to give up my Office 2003 software suite.

I don't mind using the latest version of Internet Explorer and using Windows 7 as the OS but I'd like to continue using Office 2003. Do I need to be concerned that Microsoft will not be supporting 2003? How quickly do I need to update to newer software?

I guess at some point 2003 will stop opening the newer files - I've noticed that happens sometimes already - there are some docx files Word 2003 will not open. I suspect that problem will get worse with time.

I guess I'm going to update to 2007 but I'll be kicking and screaming all the way!
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I originally replied to this thread knowing that I was purchasing a new computer and it would be running Windows 7 OS so I wasn't too concerned about the demise of XP. What I failed to realize is the April 8th date also applies to Microsoft Office 2003 products.

Yikes! I despise Office 2007, 2010 and 365 for many reasons and I am not happy to give up my Office 2003 software suite.

I don't mind using the latest version of Internet Explorer and using Windows 7 as the OS but I'd like to continue using Office 2003. Do I need to be concerned that Microsoft will not be supporting 2003? How quickly do I need to update to newer software?

I guess at some point 2003 will stop opening the newer files - I've noticed that happens sometimes already - there are some docx files Word 2003 will not open. I suspect that problem will get worse with time.

I guess I'm going to update to 2007 but I'll be kicking and screaming all the way!
Note if you only want to look at newer files you can just download the viewers for word and excel. Now if you need to modify them then ...
If you only use the office products locally (for files you generate) , it will continue to work as long as the apps load and run. The big problem with office is that it opens files with malicious contents that do bad things, if you never open files from others then its not a problem. (Or you just open them in the viewers)
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I went with Windows 7 OS as just didn't want to take the chance with XP. Overall, the transition went smoothly but there are a few programs which I used under XP that don't work at all or not well wtih my Windows 7 machine.

I might keep a Win XP machine in storage to pull out and use (just locally, not connected online) until I find a better solution.
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I guess at some point 2003 will stop opening the newer files - I've noticed that happens sometimes already - there are some docx files Word 2003 will not open. I suspect that problem will get worse with time.

I guess I'm going to update to 2007 but I'll be kicking and screaming all the way!
You can install the compatibility pack for office 2003 to open newer versions.
Download Microsoft Office Compatibility Pack for Word, Excel, and PowerPoint File Formats from Official Microsoft Download Center

Or switch to openoffice, Libreoffice

XP isn't going to stop working, M$ just won't officially patch it. As long as you are behind a firewall, don't run with administrator rights, it's no big deal.
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