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Old 11-02-2012, 02:20 PM   #41
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I understand it. All of the Illinois electoral votes will go one way, that is as certain as anything that I can imagine, yes, even the sun rising in the East. If I were so inclined, and was able to persuade half a million voters to vote the other way in my state, it would not effect the outcome.

I don't mean this as partison. If my state was a lock for the Republicans, I would vote Democratic for the same reasons. I carry no brief for any party.

As I said earlier, I am considering that conserving a little gasoline is probably a better civic action than voting in this state (I don;t feel that way if there are close local elections, or referendums).

But none of that affects the importance (or lack of) that one might assign the election overall.

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My home state will go Democratic. No doubt about it. We have had very little in the way of political ads for the Presidential race. As a result, neither candidate has any interest in several problems in my home state that are a direct result of Federal activities past and present.

So, IMHO, voting Republican is one way of getting them to notice my state. Maybe, if my state was not considered a lock for the Dems, we would not be taken for granted by the Dems and ignored by the GOP.

If my home state was a lock for the Republicans I would vote Democratic for the same reasons. This is not a partisan issue and I carry no brief for either party. I want the candidates to realize that not everybody lives in a battle ground state.
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My home state will go Democratic. No doubt about it. We have had very little in the way of political ads for the Presidential race. As a result, neither candidate has any interest in several problems in my home state that are a direct result of Federal activities past and present.

So, IMHO, voting Republican is one way of getting them to notice my state. Maybe, if my state was not considered a lock for the Dems, we would not be taken for granted by the Dems and ignored by the GOP.
Uh Oh. This thread is heading for the hog pen.

I'll be so dang glad when the 'lection is over and done with...
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So, IMHO, voting Republican is one way of getting them to notice my state. Maybe, if my state was not considered a lock for the Dems, we would not be taken for granted by the Dems and ignored by the GOP.
Yes, that is one way to look at it. Same thing for voting independent (each party has to try to capture some of that vote). I even thing not voting sends a message - deliver a real message and I'll get up and vote for you. But it is so strongly weighted it really is 'tilting at windmills' to think a single vote means anything in this case.

But I can respect anyone's decision in this case - vote for who you support, don't vote, vote against the incumbent or controlling party in an attempt to level the field, vote independent to send a message. They are all defend-able, IMO.

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Tuesday...Tuesday....yeah, probably at the Irish pub after work, so since they don't have a TV in there (small blessings) we'll be talking of adventures past and future, plus a few tall tales, and standing around the fire out back with a pint in hand. Nah, not going to watch anything of the sort.
Figured I'll check in on my Twitter feed come morning to see what happened.
My life will continue along the same trajectory regardless of the outcome, a situation for which I am very grateful.
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Tuesday...Tuesday....yeah, probably at the Irish pub after work, so since they don't have a TV in there (small blessings) we'll be talking of adventures past and future, plus a few tall tales, and standing around the fire out back with a pint in hand. Nah, not going to watch anything of the sort.
Figured I'll check in on my Twitter feed come morning to see what happened.
My life will continue along the same trajectory regardless of the outcome, a situation for which I am very grateful.
Excellent plan!

Whoever is elected won't take office until late January, and will then be POTUS for at least four years. What's the rush?
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I understand it. All of the Illinois electoral votes will go one way, that is as certain as anything that I can imagine, yes, even the sun rising in the East. If I were so inclined, and was able to persuade half a million voters to vote the other way in my state, it would not effect the outcome.

As I said earlier, I am considering that conserving a little gasoline is probably a better civic action than voting in this state (I don;t feel that way if there are close local elections, or referendums).

But none of that affects the importance (or lack of) that one might assign the election overall.

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I am in Illinois too and was glad to vote. Regardless of the results at the top of the ticket, it made me take the time to learn about other races and candidates ("who's that??") and proposed legislation.
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I am in Illinois too and was glad to vote. Regardless of the results at the top of the ticket, it made me take the time to learn about other races and candidates ("who's that??") and proposed legislation.
Yes, but I did that by downloading my ballot a few weeks ago.

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Yes, but I did that by downloading my ballot a few weeks ago.

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Dumb me didn't know you could download ballots. But I got a little fresh air by walking to a polling place located conveniently nearby. And met some neighbors in the process
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Since I'll be in Key West I'll be up, but hopefully not watching the election coverage. DW and I cast our absentee ballots a couple of weeks ago now we can wait to see how it shakes out.
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I confirm I will not vote (and I may be on call that day too !). I also confirm that it is my belief this election is really important. However, one candidate is 90% certain to win in the state I live in. Why vote then ? This is not like Europe where each vote counts, here they have Electoral Colleges, quite different from universal suffrage, which is superior in my view.

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.... but, you said you didn't intend to vote, even though you think this election is really important. I don't understand why you don't stand up and be counted regardless of how one-sided you think the vote will be in your State.
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I will stay up to watch, fall asleep on the couch and wake up to watch some more, until I know which way it goes. Have to work the next day and this should be the last presidential election while I am still working part-time.
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I confirm I will not vote (and I may be on call that day too !). I also confirm that it is my belief this election is really important. However, one candidate is 90% certain to win in the state I live in. Why vote then ? This is not like Europe where each vote counts, here they have Electoral Colleges, quite different from universal suffrage, which is superior in my view.
How does the USA not have universal suffrage? Unless you are using the wider definition to include non-citizens but then I don't know of any European countries that allow non-citizens to vote.

I only know the details of one European country, the UK electoral system, which is divided into districts of ~60,000 voters and you can only vote for a candidate within the district you are registered in. Many districts are solidly behind a particular candidate so you have the same situation of "why vote, Mr x is sure to win". The Prime Minister comes from the party that has won the most districts (known as "first past the post") so it can and does happen that the country's leader loses the popular vote but wins more districts.

In countries that vote for a President and use the popular vote to determine who wins then I agree with you that there is no reason to not vote.
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I confirm I will not vote (and I may be on call that day too !). I also confirm that it is my belief this election is really important. However, one candidate is 90% certain to win in the state I live in. Why vote then ? This is not like Europe where each vote counts, here they have Electoral Colleges, quite different from universal suffrage, which is superior in my view.
But there are US congressmen or senators being elected, city officials, state legislators and executives, local judges, maybe ballot measures you might favor or oppose, right?
But I'm 100% in favor of folks staying home if they want to.
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I confirm I will not vote (and I may be on call that day too !). I also confirm that it is my belief this election is really important. However, one candidate is 90% certain to win in the state I live in. Why vote then ? This is not like Europe where each vote counts, here they have Electoral Colleges, quite different from universal suffrage, which is superior in my view.
I live in the same state, so not to worry, I voted twice, Chicago-style, to make up for you not voting. If there are any other Illinois citizens who would like me to vote as their proxy, just let me know .

But I imagine many people whose jobs require them to be on call are finding a way to vote, either by early-voting as I did today when I realized I would not be in town on Tuesday, or by absentee ballots, which do not require an absence or a reason for voting that method.
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I live in the same state, so not to worry, I voted twice, Chicago-style, to make up for you not voting. If there are any other Illinois citizens who would like me to vote as their proxy, just let me know .
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Shall we have an election eve party? Might not last the night before porky shows up but might be fun in the meantime. I'd be happy to chip in for a pay raise for the mods due to the extra work and aggravation ;-)
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Shall we have an election eve party? Might not last the night before porky shows up but might be fun in the meantime. I'd be happy to chip in for a pay raise for the mods due to the extra work and aggravation ;-)
I wonder how the amount of daily traffic to e-r.org right now compares to 4 years ago when we had the Soapbox and the election was days away. I do recall it was a time free of strife and contentiousness. . .
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I have to get up for work the next day, so I'll watch till bedtime, then if I happen to wake up in the middle of the night for a nature break, which I will........I may/will probably check in to see how it's going. But, no way I can stay up all night to watch.
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I wonder how the amount of daily traffic to e-r.org right now compares to 4 years ago when we had the Soapbox and the election was days away. I do recall it was a time free of strife and contentiousness. . .
Oh yeah. Thank you. Good thing is this will be over soon. In the meantime, perhaps we could focus on disaster relief. www.redcross.org
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