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Old 08-03-2016, 02:51 PM   #361
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Although the free upgrade end has come, it appears to still be working. I have upgraded several PCs after the 07/29 deadline ( one today ) and they all show to be permanently activated on the status window
You mean they used a fictitious "end date" to push people to make a choice. Oh, those sneaky marketing people.
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Old 08-03-2016, 06:03 PM   #362
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Earlier this week I woke up and went down to wake up the Dell desktop with win 10. Absolutely no response. Had to hold down power button to restart.

I found a wealth of information on this happening to Dell, HP, etc. Many settings and tweaks to peruse, but so little time.
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I am on a roll updated W10 anniversary, and Vanguard rolled all my accounts into one without asking, but saying it was going to happen. Since I pay CC out of my V Advantage account I had to add money to the Federal MM or bounce a few bills/checks. Where was my Flagship rep to advise me of this?
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Old 08-03-2016, 06:42 PM   #364
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I have updated six PCs to Windows 10, and three with the Anniversary Update so far. No issues. I like Windows 10 a lot, though I turn off a lot of the "send info to Microsoft" options, knowing there are others I can't turn off.
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I despise Windows 10. Slow to load, and the full desktop that I use to navigate, will not come up without teasing.
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I have Win 10 on four desktops and one laptop. Locked in to a bad deal. Will go to Apple next time... despite the cost.
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I am really fed up with the whole Windows 10 debacle.

I got it with my PC (new buy this year), and got ransomware (Cerber) on it this weekend....

And it won't be dual boot either: Reports are coming in that the Windows 10 update sometimes breaks the MBR and deletes other OS'es installed next to it.
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Earlier this week I woke up and went down to wake up the Dell desktop with win 10. Absolutely no response. Had to hold down power button to restart.

I found a wealth of information on this happening to Dell, HP, etc. Many settings and tweaks to peruse, but so little time.
Oh boy! Looks like MS's effort to move people to Win 10 backfires, and they are going to lose more customers.

I am still using my Win 7 laptop. My wife still has not complained about her Win 10 upgraded desktop, though she uses it not that frequently. Nowadays, she surfed the Web on a small Android tablet. The other 2 desktops and 2 netbooks, I have not used since the upgrade, so do not know.

Spent most of my time today on another desktop yet, this one an older dual-core machine reserved to run Win XP to host my older software collection. I was running some analysis software to validate and tweak a circuit I am designing. It and the software still do everything I need them to do.
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People have been trash-talking about Microsoft and about Windows for decades. Nothing has changed, except that Microsoft has gotten better and better at doing what it takes to thrive, despite consumer's consternation about the realities of the marketplace. Windows 10 now has 21.13% of the Desktop OS market. Combined with other Windows versions, Microsoft has 89.77% of the Desktop OS market. At the rate that Windows is losing market share, and the rate that Linux is gaining market share, they'll finally reach the point where they share the market evenly on July 8, 2080. Actually Microsoft faces bigger competition from Macintosh. They'll cross each other on the market share scale on May 4, 2059. Of course, by then it'll be pretty much impossible to monetize Desktop OSes regardless, so at that point market share will just be an index of how much cost is incurred rather than profit earned.
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I think the global market leader in OS is Android with over 50%, followed by iOS with a bit more than 12% and Windows a close third, according to Wikipedia and Gartner Group https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usag...rating_systems
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That includes mobile OSes, and Microsoft is not a serious player in that market, despite their pretensions to the contrary. The numbers I gave were for Desktop OSes, which is what I thought we were talking about in this thread about Windows 10. (I'll fix my earlier comment to clarify that.)

Regardless, scroll down on the page you linked to and you see the Desktop OS breakdown, with Windows having 89.77% of the Desktop OS market.
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That includes mobile OSes, and Microsoft is not a serious player in that market, despite their pretensions to the contrary. The numbers I gave were for Desktop OSes, which is what I thought we were talking about in this thread about Windows 10. (I'll fix my earlier comment to clarify that.)

Regardless, scroll down on the page you linked to and you see the Desktop OS breakdown, with Windows having 89.77% of the Desktop OS market.
The hw segmentation is a bit artificial, but my post was really more directed toward the affirmation that MS "has gotten better and better at doing what it takes to thrive, despite consumer's consternation about the realities of the marketplace". It looks just they opposite - they've completely missed the bus, dominate a segment that enjoys no growth, but have no share of heart or mind where the consumer is, has been for the past decade and is still growing. In fact, it reminds me of old IBM attitudes toward MS wayyy back in the day.

There is no doubt that MS dominates the desktop OS. This new release of Win 10 looks like an interesting product, and users (with enough HW resource) should be fine. Win 10 looks like an effort by MS to bridge the desktop - mobile gap. Make the desktop look like a mobile. Will they be successful? Time will tell. I don't think desktop market share will be the critical success factor or indicator, though.
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The hw segmentation is a bit artificial, but my post was really more directed toward the affirmation that MS "has gotten better and better at doing what it takes to thrive, despite consumer's consternation about the realities of the marketplace". It looks just they opposite - they've completely missed the bus, dominate a segment that enjoys no growth, but have no share of heart or mind where the consumer is, has been for the past decade and is still growing.
That's a bit like saying that the local Italian restaurant has missed the bus with regard to the trend toward Tex-Mex food in the nation.

And it cuts both ways: Note that folks are not rushing to Chromebooks. It seems clear that Desktop and Mobile will be different technologies and it makes sense to me that that should continue, no matter how much window dressing tries to make it seem like things are converging.

The real crux of the matter is that assessing the industry from the standpoint of consumer delight is missing the point. The industry rides on money not favor, and doubly-so because Americans are so inconsistent with regard to spending money based on what they perceive as quality. Like it or not, bargain hunters drive many markets, and on the flipside, profit potential drives many markets. That's going to lead to consumer grumbling, without that grumbling meaning anything important.
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The Microsoft OS is a perennial popular bash target despite its success, but what they are doing now seems to be at another level.

Windows 98, Windows 7, Windows XP and MS-DOS to me all were (are) nice, and not a basis for switching away (I did though during my PhD, the joy of not being tied to corporate infrastructure). Mostly because of MS Office.

Windows ME, 95 and now Windows 10 are pretty uniformly despised, and were sidestepped in the corporate market. The only reason Windows 10 has this market share in the desktop is because Microsoft forced their customers to migrate.

Notice that Windows 8 and 8.1 have a 10% market share together, while the older Windows 7, released in 2009, still has 47% (!)
https://www.netmarketshare.com/opera...10&qpcustomd=0

As further "proof": the browser marketshare. Microsoft Edge is not even at 5%, most popular is Chrome (on the desktop).

Just to show people will avoid Microsoft if they easily can. Unfortunately OEM Installs (my Windows 10) and MS Office legacy base in the corporate world hold back the alternatives.

They crossed a line for me though. A big fat red line. For reasons listed above.
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The Microsoft OS is a perennial popular bash target despite its success, but what they are doing now seems to be at another level.
The claim that it "seems to be at another level" is one of the common threads in those perennially popular bashings. I don't see any reason to believe that such claims are anything new.

If you compare the reception of Windows 10 to the reception of Windows 8, you would have to agree that Windows 10 is actually pretty highly regarded. On the flipside, if all you're looking for are the complaints then all you'll see are the complaints.

Beyond that, the major changes with Windows 10 are things that competitors have been doing for a while, giving competitors a marked cost and flexibility advantage over Microsoft. Therefore, the changes do nothing other than make Microsoft more competitive with the alternatives. In the end, it'll come down to people complaining loudly about change but secretly realizing that an alternative is no better if they're "doing to you" what you're complaining Microsoft is "doing to you".

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As further "proof": the browser marketshare. Microsoft Edge is not even at 5%, most popular is Chrome (on the desktop).
That's proof only of Microsoft's recognition that they can no long monetize browsers, and so their best path forward is finding a way to leave the cost-baggage of the old browser behind and adopt a model for the new browser that covers the bases needed but doesn't represent irreconcilable cost.

Again: It's about the money (now) - not about the whizbang.
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Well, it seems we are in disagreement

I'm not looking for complaints, I'm just saying that for me its done and I'm not the only one. Could still be a minority. Time will tell. I also didn't complain when any of their 'good' OS'es came out. This time, for me, it's very different. You can't tell the difference but I sure can

And yes, Windows 8 was a bad one too. One of the other reasons why Windows 7 has such a strong market share still. Microsoft just botched the UI and plenty of people patiently waited for the next version, as they did with ME.

Microsoft isn't doing what others are doing, they are moving beyond that. No paid desktop or even smartphone OS I know forces upgrades, exposes you to malware, serves up ads or does telemetry on such a massive scale. Even the free OS'es don't as far as I know.

I also don't understand your notion that Microsoft supposedly gave up on the browser and want 'low cost', if anything they very much want Edge to succeed since Internet Explorer lost the war.
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I woke up this morning and found my laptop is still running well on Win 7.
Is it?

Soon after the Win 10 free upgrade period expired, my Win 7 laptop notified me that there were more than 100 update patches available and ready to download/install. I was reminded that there had not been any recently. Hmmm... Perhaps MS thought that I was going to Win 10, so did not push Win 7 patches till now.

I went through the long list that would be more than 500MB of download, down selected to only 2 that looked most critical just to test out. Only 8.5MB now, but nothing happened after I clicked OK. Still stuck at 0% complete after 12 hours.

Perhaps MS servers are still busy dishing out Win 10 updates that my patches are put on the back burner.
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Is it?
All I can tell you it's up an running as well as ever. Perhaps tomorrow will be a different story.

BTW, the patches updated in just a few minutes this morning. I didn't have 100 to do though. Maybe 11.
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Just now check. The 2 selected patches did not get installed. Windows Update came back, wanting to do the original list of 118 updates (573MB download).

I guess it's all or nothing, despite the option given to the user to choose.

PS. I am talking about patches to my Win 7 laptop, not a Win 10 update.
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I did the "anniversary update" this morning. Be sure to set aside 2 hours for it to complete fully.
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And yes, Windows 8 was a bad one too.
The numbers don't support any claim of similarity between Windows 8 and Windows 10. Window 10 had more of the Desktop OS market share within six months of release than Windows 8/8.1 ever had.

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We'll have to agree to disagree about the significance of the distinctions you make.

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I also don't understand your notion that Microsoft supposedly gave up on the browser and want 'low cost', if anything they very much want Edge to succeed since Internet Explorer lost the war.
Gosh no. If Microsoft wanted to win they'd have fixed IE and made it better, rather than giving it an end of life date and trying to push people onto a less functional browser. Edge grew out of the same concepts as Windows RT - "How can we conduct our business incurring less cost of maintenance and support?" The answer is to get rid of support for old technologies and forcing updates so you don't have to apply fixes to a plethora of codestreams.
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Surprise! Windows 10 free upgrade is still available using Windows 7/8 product keys

On August 3, 2016 10:37 PDT, ZDNet reports the following:

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In spite of the official end of the free Windows 10 update offer on July 29, it seems any valid Windows 7/8.x retail product key still installs Windows 10 for now.
Since I purchased a 3-pack of Windows 7 in a bigbox store back in the day, I may have to try this.

The question that I have is would I still have the Windows 10 entitlement for the machine loaded if I roll back to Win 7 for a while after the Win 10 upgrade.

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