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Old 06-08-2014, 11:32 AM   #21
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If it was easy, it wouldn't be special.
+1000 The whole reason the world takes note when a horse wins the Triple Crown, is that is ISN'T easy and a horse that wins this trophy is extraordinary.

I thought that the California Chrome owner's complaint was graceless and spoiled. "Waaah!! It was too hard! They should have given me the Triple Crown despite the fact that my horse did not actually EARN this special trophy. After all, my Mommy told me I was special, and that's that!".

He probably parks in front of the door at convenience stores, rather than in a designated parking place, too.
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+1000 The whole reason the world takes note when a horse wins the Triple Crown, is that is ISN'T easy and a horse that wins this trophy is extraordinary.

I thought that the California Chrome owner's complaint was graceless and spoiled. "Waaah!! It was too hard! They should have given me the Triple Crown despite the fact that my horse did not actually EARN this special trophy. After all, my Mommy told me I was special, and that's that!".

He probably parks in front of the door at convenience stores, rather than in a designated parking place, too.
I don't know if California Chrome (CC)'s jockey had bad strategy (when CC is not the front runner, that's not a good thing) or CC simply ran out of gas he was on the outside not boxed in at the home stretch. After the race when interviewed, the jockey said CC just didn't have the finishing kick like in the past.

The co-owner's sour grapes reminds me a bit like Nancy Kerrigan after only getting the silver instead of gold. It's tough when the country is cheering for you and you start to believe all the hype when things don't turn out like that fairy tale ending.
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Now the owners of CC are moaning that it isn't fair that other horses can enter the Belmont without having run the Derby or the Preakness. But this is how it has always been, this is no new rule. ....
IMHO- CC's owners (and others for some time) have a point. Not a strictly speaking a new "rule", but there certainly have been changes in the system likely making it more difficult to win a Triple Crown. Horses traditionally have had to qualify for the Derby, but now this includes participating in points races over the prior 10+ weeks. Horses running Belmont (or Preakness) 'merely' have to qualify as for other Grade 1 stakes races. So true Triple Crown contenders have a longer, tougher racing season than horses entered into 'only' the Preakness or Belmont.
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Interestingly- There has been a trainer to win the TC during the latest 'drought', but with 2 different horses (D Wayne Lukas, '95).

BTW- I've always found it odd that thoroughbred racing touts the 'Triple Crown Series' yet few horses actually race the full series any more. This year only 3 horses ran all 3 races. Not much of a 'Series' if ya ask me.

That said, CC was (is) no Secretariat. That horse not only took the TC but set time records for each race that still stand today.
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+1000 The whole reason the world takes note when a horse wins the Triple Crown, is that is ISN'T easy and a horse that wins this trophy is extraordinary.

I thought that the California Chrome owner's complaint was graceless and spoiled. "Waaah!! It was too hard! They should have given me the Triple Crown despite the fact that my horse did not actually EARN this special trophy. After all, my Mommy told me I was special, and that's that!".

He probably parks in front of the door at convenience stores, rather than in a designated parking place, too.
That was my thought, but one of my friends who follows horse racing agrees with CC's owner that it's not fair. Seems awfully whiny to me. Chrome wasn't destroying fields before the TC, and he was fading (in that second was closing at the line) in both the KD and Preakness. I didn't think he'd win Belmont, fresh or not, and it worked out about like I thought - he faded down the stretch regardless of who was in front of him. That he lost Belmont had more to do with distance, IMO. Had either of the first two been a shade longer, chances are we aren't even talking about this.

A good horse, but not a great horse. That's what his owner should be celebrating, instead of advertising an apparent sense of entitlement.
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So, now I'm wondering, how much $$ did CC lose on the Belmont? I'm sure a lot of folks thought CC was a sure bet, or at the very least end up third place. Had I bet (but I don't gamble ), I would have placed a bet for him to win, then another to at least show (3rd place?) and lost both bets.
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So, now I'm wondering, how much $$ did CC lose on the Belmont? I'm sure a lot of folks thought CC was a sure bet, or at the very least end up third place. Had I bet (but I don't gamble ), I would have placed a bet for him to win, then another to at least show (3rd place?) and lost both bets.
The odds were so heavy in his favor because many people please the minimum bet on him so they can have a souvenir ticket. Handicappers wouldn't have given him the same odds.
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The odds were so heavy in his favor because many people please the minimum bet on him so they can have a souvenir ticket. Handicappers wouldn't have given him the same odds.
I understand the part about handicappers not giving him the same odds.

But by ending up tied for fourth, then CC brought back no winnings, right? Except the souvenir ticket . That must have been a huge amount waged on him with all the betters wanting a part of history.

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The bettors don't win any money. But the horse (owner) still gets some of the purse.

Belmont Stakes 2014: Prize Money Purse, Latest Vegas Odds, Payouts and More | Bleacher Report

The souvenir play was a bust even if he finished second -- the ticket is worthless without him winning the Triple Crown.
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I understand the part about handicappers not giving him the same odds.

But by ending up tied for fourth, then CC brought back no winnings, right? Except the souvenir ticket . That must have been a huge amount waged on him with all the betters wanting a part of history.

As you can tell, I don't play the ponies

I bet pretty much year round, and have a nearby horse track to bet races. I won't spend a penny betting on horses. And if I would it would have been a few bucks on some flyer because the payout ratio was so poor on him. I believe I read a $150 million dollars nationwide was bet on the race.


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My understanding from my local newspaper article was that it was much less common for strong horses to show up only for the Belmont back when the last TC was won. So it may be harder now than in the past.
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Some humble pie for the co-owner of California Chrome:

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The co-owner of California Chrome finally admitted that his mouth outran his horse in the Belmont Stakes.

Steve Coburn choked out an emotional apology Monday on “Good Morning America” for his uncharitable remarks about the horse that won the race after California Chrome came in a disappointing fourth.

“I’m very ashamed of myself, very ashamed,” the 61-year-old, with his wife, Carolyn, seated next to him, told Robin Roberts. “I need to apologize to a lot of people.
‘Ashamed’ California Chrome owner Steve Coburn*apologizes for his bitter, ‘cheaters’ rant after losing Triple Crown* - NY Daily News

Can't take anything away from the winner of the race, but I wonder how CC would have done had he not gotten a gash shortly out of the gate.
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‘Ashamed’ California Chrome owner Steve Coburn*apologizes for his bitter, ‘cheaters’ rant after losing Triple Crown* - NY Daily News

Can't take anything away from the winner of the race, but I wonder how CC would have done had he not gotten a gash shortly out of the gate.

I felt a bit sorry for the guy. He was just venting, though on the national stage that is not probably the best forum to do it in. He was experiencing the moment of his life and was frustrated it didn't all end as a perfect fairy tale.


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My understanding from my local newspaper article was that it was much less common for strong horses to show up only for the Belmont back when the last TC was won. So it may be harder now than in the past.
Yes, I heard that part of the reason that it has been so long between TC winners is that horses are strategically skipping the Preakness to rest for the Belmont where that was much less prevalent in the past.
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