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08-14-2014, 09:10 AM
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Pope Francis
Ok, I have to admit he is not exactly the poster boy for Early Retirement.
I admire him because he seems to know that he is a servant of the people.
Excite News - Pope's small car fascinates South Koreans
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08-14-2014, 09:25 AM
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+1
I like what he said to the Cardinals after getting elected as pope.
Roughly: May God help you for what you have done.
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08-14-2014, 09:37 AM
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Absolutely love what he is doing. Why other popes and cardinals (and other religious leaders) were/are not like him is beyond me given what Bible says about rich, wealth, power.
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08-14-2014, 09:46 AM
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I think its great when he encourages personal charity and giving to the needy. He's setting a personal example that is warming many hearts and providing needed inspiration.
It is perhaps less noble when anyone encourages governments to use force to take from some to give to others. I'm not sure we have much scriptural support for that kind of "giving". And it is entirely different, though sometimes the distinction is blurred.
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08-14-2014, 09:58 AM
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He's a welcome breath of fresh air.
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08-14-2014, 08:36 PM
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Although an atheist I'm kind of digging pope Francis. It's hard not to like this man.
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08-14-2014, 09:19 PM
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Seems like there are still a few church leaders over here in the USA that haven't gotten the message.
The lavish homes of American archbishops
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08-14-2014, 09:24 PM
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He is exactly what the Catholic Church needs. Many leaders the world over, whether religious leaders, corporate CEO's, or leaders of local community groups, can learn a valuable lesson from him.
He walks the walk. I am not a religious person, but he gets a huge amount of respect from me. Such an inspirational man!
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08-14-2014, 09:58 PM
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Leading by example, hard not to like him.
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08-15-2014, 07:07 AM
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Best Pope ever!
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08-15-2014, 07:11 AM
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I like him - he walks the talk, unlike many other leaders.
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08-15-2014, 08:52 AM
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I like him, too. He seems to have true empathy for the downtrodden.
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08-15-2014, 08:59 AM
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I like his LBYM style. I hope he sticks around long enough to change the culture of the Church. Unfortunately, at his age, that is unlikely.
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08-15-2014, 09:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Meadbh
I like his LBYM style. I hope he sticks around long enough to change the culture of the Church. Unfortunately, at his age, that is unlikely.
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Hopefully, most of the Cardinals who elected him will still be around to vote on the next Pope.
He is a bit of a sly fox, IMHO. He might even resign early in order to ensure he is replaced by a like minded individual. The resignation precedent has been set.
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08-15-2014, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by zinger1457
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Cutout text from the link:
----> "It's scandalous!" said Butler, 83. "I guess they think they're entitled to it, but someone has to take these archbishops aside. It's so far from the gospel message and the Pope's example."
Not all bishops live like princes, however.
Boston's Cardinal Sean O'Malley resides in a rundown rectory on the South End.
"We no longer need all the symbols of the past, especially when those symbols now seem ambiguous at best and a contradiction of some of our Gospel values at worst,'' O'Malley said when he moved out of the archbishop's traditional mansion in 2003.
Archbishop Alexander Sample of Portland, Oregon, shares part of a converted convent with his elderly mother.
And Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia sold the church’s $10 million mansion when he moved to town in 2011.
"He felt it was not really necessary to live in a residence that large," said Ken Gavin, a spokesman for the Archdiocese of Philadelphia. "He wanted to live more simply."
With Pope Francis leading the way, more archbishops may be doing the same.
After getting an earful from angry Catholics, Atlanta Archbishop Wilton Gregory agreed to give up his $2.2 million mansion. <----
Shame that it took the pope's example to trigger these changes. Do I understand correctly that these mansions are tax exempt?
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08-15-2014, 11:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by samclem
I think its great when he encourages personal charity and giving to the needy. He's setting a personal example that is warming many hearts and providing needed inspiration.
It is perhaps less noble when anyone encourages governments to use force to take from some to give to others. I'm not sure we have much scriptural support for that kind of "giving". And it is entirely different, though sometimes the distinction is blurred.
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From each his ability to each his need will lead to a spectacular society when embraced by each individual.
From each his ability to each his need is a horrific train wreck on a hundred levels when implemented as government policy. At best its inefficient and creates permanent victims. At worst its the USSR.
I'm a big fan of being charitable and recognizing how fortunate we all are. I was raised (and remain) Catholic and think its critical to give to charity and help those less fortunate or less able.
I cringe, however, when I see politicians try to use Christianity as a justification for government welfare. I seem to remember Jesus saying "Give to Ceasar what is Ceaser's" and I remember him espousing the virtues of charity & the dangers of wealth. His was a message of personal choices.
I don't recall, however, the passage where he said "Everyone go to Ceasar and demand that he use his army to take the rich people's money and give it to the poor." Yep, never read that one...
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08-15-2014, 11:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuckanut
Hopefully, most of the Cardinals who elected him will still be around to vote on the next Pope.
He is a bit of a sly fox, IMHO. He might even resign early in order to ensure he is replaced by a like minded individual. The resignation precedent has been set.
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+1 again.
I think it would be hugely helpful for him to resign. He could help shape who is elected successor -- I'm hoping a young Jesuit of shared beliefs on the meaning of leadership and the role of the church.
I also think establishing that resignation is the norm would be a good thing. 85 year old really shouldn't be running the largest organization on the planet...the same holds true for the Supreme Court...but I digress...
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08-15-2014, 11:33 AM
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If they would just become an equal opportunity employer and stamp out pedophilia I might consider going back to church.
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08-15-2014, 04:05 PM
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Thanks for participating, everyone! Unless you happen to be an archbishop, this probably doesn't have anything to do with financial independence or early retirement. So, it's time to wrap up this thread with a benediction by His Eminence, Porky:
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