Join Early Retirement Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Possible Higgs Boson sighting??
Old 12-03-2011, 08:28 AM   #1
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
donheff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 8,638
Possible Higgs Boson sighting??

Rumors are out about a possible Higgs Boson sighting at the Large Hadron Collider. CERN has a public meeting coming up on Tuesday at 2:30 Zurich time to tell us what's up on the search.

For those who are interested in what the brou-ha-ha is about we had a thread sometime back around this video on the topic:
'The God Particle': The Higgs Boson - YouTube
__________________

__________________
Every man is, or hopes to be, an Idler. -- Samuel Johnson
donheff is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 Early Retirement and Financial Independence Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

Are you planning to be financially independent as early as possible so you can live life on your own terms? Discuss successful investing strategies, asset allocation models, tax strategies and other related topics in our online forum community. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. No matter where you fit in you'll find that Early-Retirement.org is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with our members, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create a retirement blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 12-03-2011, 09:09 AM   #2
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Huston55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: The Bay Area
Posts: 1,801
Quote:
Originally Posted by donheff View Post
Rumors are out about a possible Higgs Boson sighting at the Large Hadron Collider. CERN has a public meeting coming up on Tuesday at 2:30 Zurich time to tell us what's up on the search.

For those who are interested in what the brou-ha-ha is about we had a thread sometime back around this video on the topic:
'The God Particle': The Higgs Boson - YouTube
I worked on the Superconducting Super Collider (SSC) in Waxahachie, TX about 20 yrs ago, and the SSC's purpose was to find the Higgs Boson, and other little scoundrels.

I guess it's a good thing they canceled the SSC project because, we were evidently looking in the wrong place ...

...Higgs was in Switzerland all along!
__________________

__________________
You may be whatever you resolve to be.
Huston55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2011, 11:15 AM   #3
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
HFWR's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Lawn chair in Texas
Posts: 12,964
Quote:
Originally Posted by Huston55 View Post
I worked on the Superconducting Super Collider (SSC) in Waxahachie, TX about 20 yrs ago, and the SSC's purpose was to find the Higgs Boson, and other little scoundrels.

I guess it's a good thing they canceled the SSC project because, we were evidently looking in the wrong place ...

...Higgs was in Switzerland all along!
RE: SSC, our government at work...
__________________
Have Funds, Will Retire

...not doing anything of true substance...
HFWR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2011, 01:38 PM   #4
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
Ed_The_Gypsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: the City of Subdued Excitement
Posts: 5,292
O mani padmi hum.

The Eightfold Way now is revealed.
__________________
my bumpersticker:
"I am not in a hurry.
I am retired.
And I don't care how big your truck is."
Ed_The_Gypsy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2011, 02:48 PM   #5
Administrator
Gumby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 10,137
No, no, no. The Higgs bosun is here: The Return of El Tiburon Blanco
__________________
Living an analog life in the Digital Age.
Gumby is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2011, 03:44 PM   #6
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Huston55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: The Bay Area
Posts: 1,801
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed_The_Gypsy View Post
O mani padmi hum.

The Eightfold Way now is revealed.
The jewel in the lotus; wisdom and compassion.

We can always use more of that.
__________________
You may be whatever you resolve to be.
Huston55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2011, 03:55 PM   #7
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
ls99's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 4,792
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gumby View Post
No, no, no. The Higgs bosun .....
The bosuns I've known hung out in the focsle. None did I meet with name Higgs,
__________________
There must be moderation in everything, including moderation.
ls99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2011, 05:52 PM   #8
Moderator Emeritus
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,929
I think we're all bosons on this bus...

(with apologies to Firesign Theater...)
__________________
M Paquette is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2011, 06:12 PM   #9
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
donheff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 8,638
Quote:
Originally Posted by M Paquette View Post
I think we're all bosons on this bus...

(with apologies to Firesign Theater...)
Loved them. I saw them in Chicago about 10 or 12 years ago -- still going strong.
__________________
Every man is, or hopes to be, an Idler. -- Samuel Johnson
donheff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2011, 07:39 AM   #10
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
donheff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 8,638
The verdict is in - possible Higgs sighting at ~125 MeV but insufficient data to be conclusive. Ars Technica has the whole story. In a nutshell confirmation may take a year or two more data.
__________________
Every man is, or hopes to be, an Idler. -- Samuel Johnson
donheff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2011, 12:58 PM   #11
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
Lsbcal's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: west coast, hi there!
Posts: 5,676
Quote:
Originally Posted by donheff View Post
...(snip)...
For those who are interested in what the brou-ha-ha is about we had a thread sometime back around this video on the topic:
'The God Particle': The Higgs Boson - YouTube
Thanks for providing this link Don. I've been trying to catch up on the Standard Model a bit (reading The Theory of Almost Everything by Oerter). Maybe those Ether guys were right afterall .

Now I'm wondering, mass less photons do not interact with the Higgs but they are affected by matter in traveling through space. Is it just because space is curved by matter and there is no interaction between light and matter? Just interaction between matter and space. Probably this is a relativistic thing I don't know enough about. Lots of questions.

Lots of fascinating, non-intuitive stuff.
__________________
Lsbcal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2012, 03:53 PM   #12
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
Lsbcal's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: west coast, hi there!
Posts: 5,676
I am still trying to get a "picture" of the Higgs Boson concepts. Found a link to some one page articles on the Higgs Boson. Here is my favorite:
Quote:
Ripples at the Heart of Physics

By Simon Hands Theory Division, CERN, Geneva, Switzerland.

The Higgs boson is an undiscovered elementary particle, thought to be a vital piece of the closely fitting jigsaw of particle physics. Like all particles, it has wave properties akin to those ripples on the surface of a pond which has been disturbed; indeed, only when the ripples travel as a well defined group is it sensible to speak of a particle at all. In quantum language the analogue of the water surface which carries the waves is called a field. Each type of particle has its own corresponding field.

The Higgs field is a particularly simple one - it has the same properties viewed from every direction, and in important respects in indistinguishable from empty space. Thus physicists conceive of the Higgs field being "switched on", pervading all of space and endowing it with "grain" like that of a plank of wood. The direction of the grain is undetectable, and only becomes important once the Higgs' interactions with other particles are taken into account. for instance, particles call vector bosons can travel with the grain, in which case they move easily for large distances and may be observed as photons - that is, particles of light that we can see or record using a camera; or against, in which case their effective range is much shorter, and we call them W or Z particles. These play a central role in the physics of nuclear reactions, such as those occurring in the core of the sun.

The Higgs field enables us to view these apparently unrelated phenomenon as two sides of the same coin; both may be described in terms of the properties of the same vector bosons. When particles of matter such as electrons or quarks (elementary constituents of protons and neutrons, which in turn constitute the atomic nucleus) travel through the grain, they are constantly flipped "head-over-heels". this forces them to move more slowly than their natural speed, that of light, by making them heavy. We believe the Higgs field responsible for endowing virtually all the matter we know about with mass.

Like most analogies, the wood-grain one is persuasive but flawed: we should think of the grain as not defining a direction in everyday three-dimensional space, but rather in some abstract internal space populated by various kinds of vector boson, electron and quark.

The Higgs' ability to fill space with its mysterious presence makes it a vital component in more ambitious theories of how the Universe burst into existence out of some initial quantum fluctuation, and why the Universe prefers to be filled with matter rather than anti-matter; that is, why there is something rather than nothing. To constrain these ideas more rigorously, and indeed flesh out the whole picture, it is important to find evidence for the Higgs field at first hand - in other words, find the boson. there are unanswered questions: the Higgs' very simplicity and versatility, beloved of theorists, makes it hard to pin down. How many Higgs particles are there? Might it/they be made from still more elementary components? Most crucial, how heavy is it? Our current knowledge can only put its mass roughly between that of an iron atom and three times that of a uranium atom. This is a completely new form of matter about whose nature we still have only vague hints and speculations and its discovery is the most exciting prospect in contemporary particle physics.
And here is the link to other one pagers: Higgs Boson: One page explanation These were written around 1993 so perhaps there is more known now.
__________________
Lsbcal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2012, 06:59 PM   #13
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
grasshopper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,669
Thanks, I think I need another Portlandia episode.
__________________

__________________
grasshopper is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


 

 
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:30 PM.
 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.