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Old 03-06-2006, 04:25 PM   #21
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Old 03-06-2006, 04:32 PM   #22
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eah, yeah, I've heard all of the rah-rah warmongering bullshit ad infinitum from the right (mostly). Its still bullshit, war is still categorically wrong, and I am still a confirmed pacifist. Don't bother arguing the point with me because this is one of the few things I absolutely will not budge on.
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... war is still categorically wrong, and I am still a confirmed pacifist.* Don't bother arguing the point with me because this is one of the few things I absolutely will not budge on.
I won't drag this out, I promise. But if a country declared war on us and was positioning their army to attack us, you wouldn't want us to fight back?
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Declared war, or police action?
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As Mill’s quote implies, it must be easy to remain a pacifist while some other father’s son keeps you free. Well, I’m that father. When I think of the 3,000 people who died in New York, I am proud to be that father
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As Millís quote implies, it must be easy to remain a pacifist while some other fatherís son keeps you free. Well, Iím that father. When I think of the 3,000 people who died in New York, I am proud to be that father
Honest question from me.* What does New York have to do with a war on Iraq?* How does killing thousands of civilian Iraquis and creating a climate for civil war keep anyone free?* I'm asking this question with respect.
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As Millís quote implies, it must be easy to remain a pacifist while some other fatherís son keeps you free. Well, Iím that father. When I think of the 3,000 people who died in New York, I am proud to be that father
In the interest of keeping things friendly here, I am holding my tongue, despite great provocation/temptation. As far as I am concerned, the military (all countries/branches/flavors/etc.) is a pox on society and a leech at best. There is nothing great or redeeming in military service, IMO. I don't want your supposed sacrifice or "protection".

I am glad you are proud of your son, but keep your opinions on other people's principled stances to yourself.

'Sall I'm gonna say on the subject.
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Old 03-06-2006, 08:18 PM   #28
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While I used 911 as an example the questions are:

Should a country have a military?
If so, who decides when it is used?
If you don’t agree with its use is ok for you to ‘sit this one out’?

I really don’t know if the history will prove the Iraq portion of the war on terror was right or wrong, and no one that reads this board does either. I don’t know all the reasons we invaded Iraq. I know what some on the right say, and what some on the left say. I doubt if either have the complete story. I do know there are bad people in this world and somebody better be willing to defend against them. I am thankful that in 1943 there were people that felt Japan and Germany were worth taking on.

I don’t understand pacifist. To me they deny the existence of evil, or they are willing to live under it, or they are willing to let someone else defeat it. Do they honestly believe that the world would be a better place if Hitler won? Would we be a better country if we chose not to fight the British? Would we rejoice if the South was allowed to dissolve the nation?

While I am not quite as adamant as Brewer, I don’t think there is much he could say that would change the way I think. I do know this is not going to help Arkie.

Arkie, sorry this hijacked your thread. It sounds like you have cash or assets worth more that 1M. I don’t know what life style you are use to, but I would think you could live happily in Arkansas on a 4% SWR. You both have jobs that would appear to travel well. School teachers are in demand everywhere, and HR reps are needed by just about every company. Part time, or consulting would seem to be an option to supplement the SWR. Good Luck.
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While I used 911 as an example the questions are:

Should a country have a military?
If so, who decides when it is used?
If you donít agree with its use is ok for you to Ďsit this one outí?
A very measured response sir. I think the best synonym for pacifist is free-rider. Unless it is the type of pacifist that becomes a medic. Free-riding is an unattractive but evolutionarily fit tactic. It is up to the rest of the tribe to try to prevent and or punish it.

However, I would not have anyone go into this Iraq thing; it appears to be very badly chosen action. If it were good surely we would see some of the good by now. It seems a bad use of men and treasure.

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Old 03-07-2006, 12:33 AM   #30
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No doubt about it, Arkie is a trouble-maker.
(He started this thread).

Jarhead, who hopes the "Big Guy" looks out
for your Marine Pilot son.
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In the interest of keeping things friendly here, I am holding my tongue, despite great provocation/temptation.* As far as I am concerned, the military (all countries/branches/flavors/etc.) is a pox on society and a leech at best.* There is nothing great or redeeming in military service, IMO.* I don't want your supposed sacrifice or "protection".

I am glad you are proud of your son, but keep your opinions on other people's principled stances to yourself.

'Sall I'm gonna say on the subject.
Come on, Brewer. Be a conservative. Be a warmonger. Everyone is doing it. It's hard to be a liberal. Why be in a voiceless minority when you can go along with the mindless crowd? You start out being concerned about other people and before long their misery keeps you from sleeping at night. Join the crowd. Wrap yourself in the flag and become a conservative. If other people are suffering, it must be their fault. Screw 'em. You can sleep.

Be a conservative. Don't be fiscally responsible and worry about future generations. Spend future generation's money on war. Cooperation and respect are too hard. It takes too long to understand other cultures and gain repect. Drop the big one. Show 'em what a conservative is made of.

Come on, Brewer. Be a conservative. Science and reason is too difficult. FOX news and religious fundamentalists will tell you what to think. Why waste all that time collecting real facts and analyzing them when others will do the work for you.

Be a conservative, Brewer. You don't need rights. The current US administration knows what's best for you. Let them tap your phone without legal procedures. Let them torture prisoners. Standing for personal freedom and international law is overrated.

Come on, Brewer. Embrace modern conservatism. It's just easier.
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sgeeeeeeeeeeeeee, glad to see some humor here, since I am having a real hard time not telling people to go "Dick Cheney" themselves.

BTW, I heard a good one yesterday, although I amunlikely to getthe exact wording right.* Something like this:

Its important to remind people that Cheney is not the first administration official in the last two administrations to shoot a person in the chest and face.
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CFB to the rescue!!

One last thought from me on the off-topic discussion: one Dwight Eisenhower, hardly a pacifist, warned of the military-industrial complex...

Back on topic, whilst waiting to not be chosen for a jury last week, a fellow prospective juror was discussing an acquaintance who had moved away from DFW, Collin Co. specifically, who bought an equivalent home in the Hot Springs area of Ark, and was paying $700/yr. property taxes...

Bit cheaper than here...
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As far as Jimmy Carter goes, he seemed like a smart guy. Growing up as a teenager and being on my own for the first time right smack when he got into office certainly made for some interesting times. Couldnt buy a new car or anything worthwhile used, as the interest rates were in the 10%+ range. Every food item cost more every time I went to the grocery store. I felt like my country was represented by a bunch of huge pussies for letting some crappy little 3rd world outfit grab our people out of our own embassy and we wouldnt do a thing about it. So those recollections...not so good.

On the other hand, for the first couple of years Reagan was in after that, I was pretty sure I'd be suiting up to go fight the soviets in afghanistan... :P

Funny how that relatively meaningless little country in central asia has had such a profound effect on two of the three world superpowers in recent years. That means its China's turn next...
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Thread title forgot the most important part...
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I guess I have a bad feeling about AR, because that's where the second worst President of the USA is from (the worst was Carter).
That statement does not make you look very intelligent.

It was Jimmy Carter that appointed Paul Volker to the Fed. Volker replaced Burns in 1979. 2 Full years before Reagan Became President. This is what caused the Prime rate to go to 20% and end Inflation. Carter was the one that took the 'bad medicine' to turn the economy around.

Trying to blame Carter for the economic conditions of the late 70's, is like a current retiree patting himself on the back for the financial moves that he made yesterday. It takes years to have a effect on the financial condition of a person, much less a whole country.
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Trying to credit or blame any president for anything economic is a little tough to do.

I do like the yellow dog political folks who slide the bars to give credit to their guy for the good stuff and blame to the other guy for the bad stuff...
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It was Jimmy Carter that appointed Paul Volker to the Fed. Volker replaced Burns in 1979. 2 Full years before Reagan Became President. This is what caused the Prime rate to go to 20% and end Inflation. Carter was the one that took the 'bad medicine' to turn the economy around.
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Yup. Volker was probably one of the best chairmen IMO.
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Can't we put aside our differences, and just agree that all politicians are idiots?
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