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Old 04-23-2007, 11:50 AM   #1
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Professor Fired Over Va. Tech Discussion - Victimhood

A couple of thoughts about the article below.
1. "He said administrators had asked the faculty to engage students on the issue." If true this was a mistake by the college. The college did not give proper respect to the abilities and knowledge require to properly "engage" students and consel them. College professors are specialists in their field and should not be expected to do this. They could direct students to qualified personnel.

2. Probably not politically correct to point at students and say "Pow" but content is important and I don't know if it was put in proper context. "Student Junny Lee, 19, told The Boston Globe that most students didn't appear to find Winset's demonstration offensive." One student that was there thought it was not offensive.

3." the public's ``celebration of victimhood,'' said the professor, Nicholas Winset." I think this is a valid point (Note - do not confuse my agreement with being against the idea of celebrating the victims' life. Nor do I disagree with the idea that "No Man Is An Island".*) If the professor was trying to say that it is better to fight than be a victim, I have to agree with him. That is why I think (hope) it will be difficult to hijack another airplane - the people have learned to fight rather than be flown into a building. (Note: I don't know what happened in those classrooms; some may have fought. I know of 1 professor that tried to bar the door and he was shot - a holacoasut survivor I believe.).

I believe we become what we observe. If we observe heroic behavior we will become heroic.
There has been a great amount of time given to the grieving process **and those doing it. (I don't know if it is too much but, I'm leaning to believe it is. And yes, grieving is OK with me.)

Are we raising the next generation of victims? I think we are.

How in the aftermath of the VT tragedy become something more heroic - Do something tangiable that helps people for year to come***. All the efforts put into the ceremonies represent a great human potential that was directed to the grieving process. Some of this potential could have been directed to a living monument for those who died.

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Professor Fired Over Va. Tech Discussion

Monday April 23, 2007 1:46 PM

BOSTON (AP) - An adjunct professor was fired after leading a classroom discussion about the Virginia Tech shootings in which he pointed a marker at some students and said ``pow.''

The five-minute demonstration at Emmanuel College on Wednesday, two days after a student killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus, included a discussion of gun control, whether to respond to violence with violence, and the public's ``celebration of victimhood,'' said the professor, Nicholas Winset.

During the demonstration, Winset pretended to shoot some students. Then one student pretended to shoot Winset to illustrate his point that the gunman might have been stopped had another student or faculty member been armed.

``A classroom is supposed to be a place for academic exploration,'' Winset, who taught financial accounting, told the Boston Herald.

He said administrators had asked the faculty to engage students on the issue. But on Friday, he got a letter saying he was fired and ordering him to stay off campus.

Winset, 37, argued that the Catholic liberal arts school was stifling free discussion by firing him, and he said the move would have a ``chilling effect'' on open debate. He posted an 18-minute video on the online site YouTube defending his action.

The college issued a statement saying: ``Emmanuel College has clear standards of classroom and campus conduct, and does not in any way condone the use of discriminatory or obscene language.''

Student Junny Lee, 19, told The Boston Globe that most students didn't appear to find Winset's demonstration offensive.

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if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
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because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

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- Moments of silence
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- Wearing of the school colors
- Ringing of bells
- Reading of Names
- Holding of hands in a circle

***Look how much thought, time and money is going into the memorial for the 9/11 victiums at the World Trade Center. How about a smaller memorial at the site and a fantastic school was to be built in the South Bronx; staffed by the best teacher in a secure enviorment. But I dream!
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Re: Professor Fired Over Va. Tech Discussion - Victimhood
Old 04-23-2007, 03:02 PM   #2
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I read that this morning too. There's got to be more to it. Maybe the guy was on the school's $hit list already and they were just looking for the right "moment" to let him go.

Maybe he said more than "POW".

With the media these days - who knows?

From just what's given, I'm just glad I'm not paying for one of my kids to go to "Emmanuel College". If you can't say "POW" for it being "obscene language" it must be a pretty sadly repressed place. $crew that. :

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I read that this morning too. There's got to be more to it. Maybe the guy was on the school's $hit list already and they were just looking for the right "moment" to let him go.
The key word here is "adjunct faculty." The university could easily fire him for any reason at all with no repercussions. Adjuncts, who are hired by the course, have no rights or recourse. I'm sure the university, like all state universities these days, decided to cover their butts during the aftermath. This guy went a little too far out and the administration couldn't afford to have any more blowback. Consequently, the adjunct is now out of a "job."
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The key word here is "adjunct faculty." The university could easily fire him for any reason at all with no repercussions. Adjuncts, who are hired by the course, have no rights or recourse. I'm sure the university, like all state universities these days, decided to cover their butts during the aftermath. This guy went a little too far out and the administration couldn't afford to have any more blowback. Consequently, the adjunct is now out of a "job."
"job" definitely in quotes. All thoughts of becoming a professor vanished after a English Ph.D friend of mine spent 6 months homeless. he's since gotten another adjunct job (full-time for a change), but it barely pays his bare living expenses, and if his contract doesn't get renewed and he doesn't hit the lottery with a tenure track degree, he'll probably be right back to couch-surfing around college towns. The frightening thing is he's 46, 100K in student debt and he's been doing this dance for the past 7 years since he finished his dissertation.
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