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Old 10-10-2010, 12:49 PM   #1
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Proof That Romance Is Not Dead

When law enforcement officials arrived, they found a large party in progress, overflowing with people who were unconscious or semi-conscious.

When officers entered a back bedroom, they found a man having sex with a semi-conscious young woman. The man was detained and questioned, but was later released after it was determined that the woman was his girlfriend and was over 18 years old.

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12 hospitalized after being drugged at party
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18 yo + girlfriend or not she was in no condition to give consent. That is rape in my opinion.
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18 yo + girlfriend or not she was in no condition to give consent.
Well, that's what the journalist who wrote those words probably wanted you to think. We have not the slightest evidence, other than the meaningless word "semi-conscious", about her condition. The officers at the scene presumably took a number of factors into account and decided that no crime had been committed.
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Ah, but the officers are not the folks who make that decision.. it is the woman and the court.

I wonder if any of the males were drugged.
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Oh...I thought this was a thread about a lovely romance...

I've dealt with a few victims of date-rape drugs at the p.d. and it's not pretty.


Now, back to romance....yes....sweet, true romance is alive and well.
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Ah, but the officers are not the folks who make that decision.. it is the woman and the court.
Last time I checked, officers determine whether a crime has been committed. If they decide that there is no crime, then nothing gets to court. The court decides whether the defendant has committed the crime.

It is entirely possible - indeed, it's not yet entirely beyond my powers of personal recollection to remember such an event - for there to have been a party at which some people were totally wasted on illegal substances, requiring law enforcement intervention, while others were merely having sex while intoxicated on alcohol.

It is also entirely possible - again, I speak from experience - for journalists to get pretty much everything wrong about a story...
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I wonder if any of the males were drugged.
Do you mean beyond Viagra?
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Here's a follow-up story. It sounds as if the vodka may have been spiked by one person, and then also consumed unknowingly by people other than the intended target. I think it may take quite some time to straighten out who drugged whom.
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It is entirely possible - indeed, it's not yet entirely beyond my powers of personal recollection to remember such an event - for there to have been a party at which some people were totally wasted on illegal substances, requiring law enforcement intervention, while others were merely having sex while intoxicated on alcohol.
I am pretty sure that in modern America a man is possibly committing a crime when he has sex with a drunken woman. There is supposed to be consent, and intoxicated people cannot consent.

Confusion over this sort of thing and the natural caution coming from spending time in prison over related matters is why Chuck Berry learned to have his dates sign and date a document of consent before he would have sex with them.

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I am pretty sure that in modern America a man is possibly committing a crime when he has sex with a drunken woman. There is supposed to be consent, and intoxicated people cannot consent.

Confusion over this sort of thing and the natural caution coming from spending time in prison over related matters is why Chuck Berry learned to have his dates sign and date a document of consent before he would have sex with them.

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There are degrees of intoxication. If a woman (even a wife) is unable to respond positively to a romantic encounter for any reason she cannot give consent. If the gal in this episode could not tell the officer at that time that she was OK she was too impaired to give consent IMHO. Her age and the status of boyfriend does not overcome the law. I can understand the officer not citing the boyfriend at that time because he could not know what preceded the encounter in the time immediately preceding this situation. It is possible that the drug had its effect after the encounter was in progress.
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It sounds as if the vodka may have been spiked by one person, and then also consumed unknowingly by people other than the intended target. I think it may take quite some time to straighten out who drugged whom.
Riiiiiiiiight... I used to hear that "it was in the brownies" defense all the time at captain's masts.
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I thought this thread might be about couples who belch and break wind around each other.
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Update—it turns out the culprit was alcoholic energy drinks, not date-rape drugs.
Local News | Drink, not drugs, sickened Wash. college students | Seattle Times Newspaper
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Update—it turns out the culprit was alcoholic energy drinks, not date-rape drugs.
I'm trying to imagine Bud or Corona beer with extra caffeine. Hey, Brewer, sounds like a great "secret ingredient" for your next batch of homebrew!

I guess it's no worse than Irish coffee...
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Update—it turns out the culprit was alcoholic energy drinks, not date-rape drugs.
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A relief to hear about this windup.

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There are degrees of intoxication. If a woman (even a wife) is unable to respond positively to a romantic encounter for any reason she cannot give consent.
WOW - I'm sure glad my wife doesn't drink.
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So the story is, kids got drunk at a party. That makes the papers ?

Also, where is the correction in the paper which printed the headline "12 hospitalized after being drugged at party" alongside "they overdosed on a powerful drug" and "Police still have not determined who spiked the drinks with the drug" (rather than "whether anyone spiked...") ?

Just one more drip, drip, drip in the "kids take illegal drugs at parties" narrative, despite having no basis in fact. Still, it probably sold a few papers or some advertising space, so elementary checking of facts, or perhaps judicious use of the word "allegedly", is clearly secondary.
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So the story is, kids got drunk at a party. That makes the papers ?

Also, where is the correction in the paper which printed the headline "12 hospitalized after being drugged at party" alongside "they overdosed on a powerful drug" and "Police still have not determined who spiked the drinks with the drug" (rather than "whether anyone spiked...") ?

Just one more drip, drip, drip in the "kids take illegal drugs at parties" narrative, despite having no basis in fact. Still, it probably sold a few papers or some advertising space, so elementary checking of facts, or perhaps judicious use of the word "allegedly", is clearly secondary.
In fact, I bought some papers...
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