You might as well just delete this thread now and save the moderators the trouble...... offensive comments about race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, and national origin, are not acceptable.
That is because religions are based on truth-claims. I think just about every religion, and some non-religious philosophies too, say of something, "THIS is an absolute truth". Why would there not, at least potentially, be dire consequences for rejecting that which is true in an ultimate sense? It would be the spiritual equivalent of denying that gravity exists. It doesn't matter how sincerely a person believes in the non-existence of gravity; what happens if that person steps off a cliff will be determined by what is actually true. Likewise, whether you or I end up in heaven or in hell depends on what actually is true about these ultimate questions, not on what either of us think is true. So give serious thought to what you believe. Your decision about what to accept (or reject) as ultimate truth is too important to be ignored or given only a superficial consideration.How many of you encounter friends/ relatives who claim that their religion is the only way / road to "heaven" and that the remaining millions upon millions of "non-believers" are going to hell.
Regardless of your intent, this subject is not one that leads to civil dialog.I didn't mean it as an adversarial question, but a question for discussion on a social / conversational level. I'm not exspousing or disavowing any religion or belief, but in conversations I hear this debated quite vigorously and with passion.......I have no skin in the game either way
That's something I've always believed in. For most of us, any religion we may practice is probably due to what our parents believed in, and how we were brought up....what are the odds that you happened to be born into the correct set of beliefs from among the thousands that various people have held over the course of history?
Regardless of your intent, this subject is not one that leads to civil dialog.
This thread needs to go away.
I have zero friends/relatives who believe their religion is the only way.
Good thread. I missed it back in the day. I am very interested in matters of religion, faith, etc. I understand that religious discussions can easily go bad - just like politics. But, like politics, it is worthwhile letting them proceed until they do go astray. This is a better group for a civil discussion of religion or politics than any I have encountered.Where did this following thread go bad? I found it interesting and civil.
http://www.early-retirement.org/forums/f27/deism-31897-2.html
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None. Of course I would not stay friends with someone who was constantly proselytizing me so I suppose I never get to know folks like that.
I initially posted the same thing but, on second thought, I would like to revise that. It isn't that I would feel hostile towards a proselytizer - I would happily engage them in discussion and be interested in why they believe what they do. But I doubt many of the people described by OP would stick with a skeptical enquirer for long. On the other hand, I have had many a brandy fueled late night [-]debate[/-] discussion with a family friend who is a Jesuit - a true believer of another sort.Likewise. Otherwise they wouldn't be my friend.
Christians believe it's what we think is true.Likewise, whether you or I end up in heaven or in hell depends on what actually is true about these ultimate questions, not on what either of us think is true.
Doesn't your first thought conflict with your second? All the serious though you give to heaven and hell won't have any effect on whether they exist or don't. And since there is no good evidence for one religious belief versus another (they are matters of faith) superficial consideration doesn't seem to be a problem. It gets back to the Pascal's wager dilemma - how can one be sure he is betting on the right God out of the many available?whether you or I end up in heaven or in hell depends on what actually is true about these ultimate questions, not on what either of us think is true. So give serious thought to what you believe. Your decision about what to accept (or reject) as ultimate truth is too important to be ignored or given only a superficial consideration.