Join Early Retirement Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 02-27-2004, 03:10 PM   #81
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 178
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

The search function here is great.

Ted's departure really is a loss. His investment advice was 98% bang on.
__________________

__________________
I'd rather be sailing.
nfs is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 Early Retirement and Financial Independence Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

Are you planning to be financially independent as early as possible so you can live life on your own terms? Discuss successful investing strategies, asset allocation models, tax strategies and other related topics in our online forum community. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. No matter where you fit in you'll find that Early-Retirement.org is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with our members, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create a retirement blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 02-27-2004, 09:45 PM   #82
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

Ted said...

"it is becoming ever more contrary to the national economic interest for people to be retiring early -- especially if they become "totally" retired and don't perform some sort of socially useful service."

Ted, I'm just wondering if you want to include the idle rich in your comments or do you just want the poor middle class working slobs to follow your Puritan work ethic?

Are you really worried about the "national economic interest" or are you just sore at early retirement types.

You are talking to the "little people" of the world and telling them to do better and follow the rules, except you forget to mention the "big people".

Of course the "big people" would laugh at you, if they could see you... but of course they will never see you; but you will go on and on correcting the lives of everyone at your level or below because you have never been among the "big people". And they know that and they also know that you will never betray your faith in them.

How comforting for you both. Your happy, they are happy.

bill
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 02-27-2004, 10:16 PM   #83
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

Quote:
Ted, I'm just wondering if you want to include the idle rich in your comments or do you just want the poor middle class working slobs to follow your Puritan work ethic?
I try to refrain from these sensitive subjects but in this case I just have to say: BRAVO Bill! This is something that seems so bloomin' obvious to me but is invisible to everybody else.

The Rich don't work. They inherit and make loads of unearned income, control the cash flow from a business and everybody admires them. Even when they go to the office or "run the business" they ain't working. They are following their dreams. They are doing what they want to do. They are not economically exploitable and do not "work" the way the rest of us HAVE to work. If they wanted to stay drunk on their yachts forever they could and nobody would castigate or denigrate them.

If folks like us scrape together enough money (from working) to avoid being forced to work-- not generations worth of dissolute luxury--- just enough to keep out of the coal mines and maybe follow our middle class dreams, we're lazy and unproductive, and irresponsible?

Capitalism. Good enough for the working class but the Rich have better things to do?
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 02-27-2004, 10:52 PM   #84
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
wabmester's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 4,459
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

Is nothing sacred? Now we're bashing the rich!? I personally have no problem with those born rich. They can't help it.

Executive greed is another issue entirely. I really don't understand the free market weenies who think it's perfectly OK for a single CEO to make more than, say, 1000 employees combined. And despite the publicity over a few corporate thieves who got caught, *nothing* has changed. Executive compensation is obscene, and I don't see any free market forces that have any control over that.

The NY Times has an article today about Grasso defending his $139M pay. This should be interesting.

http://nytimes.com/2004/02/28/business/28nyse.html
__________________
wabmester is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 02-27-2004, 11:07 PM   #85
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

Quote:
Is nothing sacred? Now we're bashing the rich!? I personally have no problem with those born rich. They can't help it.
Hey, I ain't bashing the rich. We all wanna be rich. Just making an observation. I know they can't help it and wouldn't if they could. Not in their enlightened self interest. Sometimes the truth can be uncomfortable. It's their cross to bear I guess. What ticks me off is when certain types bash the "other than Rich". Make an observation about economics and get attacked for "Class Warfare". Whenever I hear that it reminds me of The Wizard of OZ. "Pay no attention to the man behind the Curtain"
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 02-27-2004, 11:37 PM   #86
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

The other thing that Ted slipped by was his comment about George Washington.

Well Ted, I have read my history and I know that Washington married a very wealthy widow. Very wealthy Ted. Thousands of acres of land. A huge Plantation. Over a thousand Slaves, Ted. You don't mention that. You don't mention the (by marriage) huge inherited wealth in your hero.

You also don't mention that Franklin made his fortune buying up the land grants of Revolutionary War soldiers for pennies on the dollar. Soldiers too poor to understand what these land warrents were worth. These warrents were given to them and their widows for fighting for your freedoms.

Once again you go with the "marble men" to support your positions but you haven't done your homework.

You need to correct your posts because you walk away before you are done, or before we are done with you.

bill
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 02-28-2004, 05:39 AM   #87
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 55
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

Such acrimony! Now, to quote my hero (Al Bundy): "Can't we all just get along?!"
__________________
Hiss is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 02-28-2004, 10:16 AM   #88
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

Al Bundy. Heh heh. A good one. In my final year of working I found another Al Bundy quote more appropriate: Oh God! Am I not fit to die?!
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 02-28-2004, 11:33 AM   #89
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
cute fuzzy bunny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Losing my whump
Posts: 22,697
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

"Sure selling shoes is fun. But behind the glamour, it's
like any other minimum wage slow death."
__________________
Be fearful when others are greedy, and greedy when others are fearful. Just another form of "buy low, sell high" for those who have trouble with things. This rule is not universal. Do not buy a 1973 Pinto because everyone else is afraid of it.
cute fuzzy bunny is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 02-29-2004, 05:32 AM   #90
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 398
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

I won't waste my time trying to refute the Marxist attacks on all people who have inherited wealth. That issue has practically nothing to do with the matter of early retirement, since that is just one of an infinite number of things that people can "buy" when they have sufficient assets.

Personally, I feel that wealthy people should be taxed at a higher rate, both through a progressive income tax structure (which we have) and through a progressive inheritance tax (which the hard core conservatives are trying to eliminate). So I'm no knee-jerk supporter of wealth, whether inherited or earned (or, more typically, some combination of the two).

While I think that it is legitimate to examine the motives of any historical "icon" like George Washington or Benjamin Franklin, it is plain ridiculous to imply that their support of American independence was nothing more than a scheme to further enrich themselves. Sure, the men who signed the Declaration of Independence (Washington was not there and did not) and led the subsequent revolution were very wealthy. And they were smart enough to know that they were risking not only their wealth, but their very lives, in that they were committing "treason" against the British Crown.

They closed the Declaration of Independence with the statement "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor." They weren't just blowing smoke, and I think that they deserve our gratitude for their sacrifices. In the long run, most Americans benefitted greatly from them.
__________________
Ted is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 02-29-2004, 03:46 PM   #91
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 398
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

Quote:
Lighten up Ted, life is a marathon, not a sprint.
I agree with that statement absolutely. That is why I criticize the established paractice of working like crazy for some number of years -- whether it is 50 or 62 or whatever -- and then abruptly "dropping out." It isn't good for most individuals, it isn't good for the overall economy, and anybody with an ounce of understanding of economic principles should be able to understand that the problem is going to become worse in the future.

Furthermore, if you really are an ex-Marine, you should realize that this country is at war, Americans are dying as the result, and it is no time to be justifying and even glorifying the concept of "dropping out," even though it is one of the rights that the people in the military are preserving.
__________________
Ted is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 02-29-2004, 04:45 PM   #92
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
haha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hooverville
Posts: 22,387
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

Quote:
Furthermore, if you really are an ex-Marine, you should realize that this country is at war...
This cat Ted must have taken a course in offensiveness. along with his Masters in economics. Does anyone on this board, other than Ted, have any doubt about the veracity of anything that Jarhead has said in any of his many interesting and self-disclosing posts? Does anyone doubt he was a Marine? I sure don't. I also don't doubt that his life has been lived real close to where the rubber meets the road. If he wants to tramp around the mountains fishing, lets not forget that over 40 thousand years of human evolution have given that way of life a good look, and found that it worked.

If Jarhead were a mutual fund manager, getting his $2 million a year for poor performanace, then spending a good portion of it having mountain trout flown in from Chile, walking on a treadmill or climbing an artificial wall for exercise, maybe taking a Tae-Bo class to feel masculine- I guess by Ted's metric, since he hasn't "dropped out", he would be an upstanding productive citizen. Huh

When I was young I lived in logging country near Forks Washington. One day I was talking to a few old timers, including one guy who was then (in the 60s) nearing the end of a long career as a logging show topper.

They were talking about how great the depression was. Nothing to do "but fish, fight, and f*ck!" Like, driving a logging truck was cool and all, but as guys we know what we really are like.

I think that being told how we ought to think is getting a litle old.

Mikey
__________________
"As a general rule, the more dangerous or inappropriate a conversation, the more interesting it is."-Scott Adams
haha is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 02-29-2004, 08:22 PM   #93
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

"Marxist attacks" ?

We all recognize when our opponent has left the field of engagement.

Unable to respond he results to either personal insults or appeals to patriotism. Mine has done both.

Thank you Tim, I accept your sword.

bill
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 02-29-2004, 08:26 PM   #94
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

Yes, I know.

But you see, I demoted him to a Tim, from a Ted. Such is the nature of battle.

bill
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 03-01-2004, 09:18 AM   #95
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

Excellent post Jarhead! Even though I am opinionated,
overbearing and egomaniacal, I try to let everyone
do whatever they want, as long as they don't mess up
my life. Truly, I want everyone to be happy, just want
some of them to be happy far away from me

Re. being "at war", anyone who knows any history at all
knows that warfare is almost constant since before the
dawn of recorded history. Unfortunately, this seems to
be mankind's natural state.

John Galt
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 03-01-2004, 03:51 PM   #96
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
cute fuzzy bunny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Losing my whump
Posts: 22,697
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

Glad to be of help in passing the rainy season through, Jarhead. Sure is pissing it down today, isnt it? Gave me a chance to declutter the house and I'm about to launch into...TAXES! I sure would prefer some widely spaced rocks to that. Although I already did a 10,000 foot run and it looks like i'm zero taxed again.

Keep the opinions coming folks, thats what makes it interesting.

Of course, if the essence of your opinion is "screw you", then keep it
__________________
Be fearful when others are greedy, and greedy when others are fearful. Just another form of "buy low, sell high" for those who have trouble with things. This rule is not universal. Do not buy a 1973 Pinto because everyone else is afraid of it.
cute fuzzy bunny is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 03-01-2004, 06:34 PM   #97
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
cute fuzzy bunny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Losing my whump
Posts: 22,697
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

Quote:
TH:
g about the spring up here though is everything is green. It turns brown in a hurry as soon as the summer heat hits.
Thats what I love about living here. Back in new england everything drops dead in the winter. Brown, gray, and dirty snow. Depressing. Out here everything is green in the winter except for the few trees that drop leaves in the cooler winter months. Then those green up for summer.

Since I live in a subdivision amidst orchards, the entire area is well irrigated (by wells no less) so we dont get the huge dead grass pastures.

I just did my yard fertilizing and pulled a few weeds yesterday. Everything is starting to bloom. The plum trees in the yard and all of the fruit trees in the orchards are starting to blossom. My parsley actually lived right through the winter and my basil came up in early february. I expect the tomatoes and jalapenos I planted last year to be coming up soon, maybe another 2-3 weeks.

Dont you guys living in the snow belt hate this thread now? 8)
__________________
Be fearful when others are greedy, and greedy when others are fearful. Just another form of "buy low, sell high" for those who have trouble with things. This rule is not universal. Do not buy a 1973 Pinto because everyone else is afraid of it.
cute fuzzy bunny is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 03-02-2004, 06:09 AM   #98
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 80
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

Quote:
Thats what I love about living here. Back in new england everything drops dead in the winter. Brown, gray, and dirty snow. [...]

Dont you guys living in the snow belt hate this thread now? 8)
Actually, no! I'm a Yankee through and through, and I *like* the cold, and the winter. I'm living in Maryland now, which is way too hot in the summer (ick) but the winter is nice. Just the other day, I went for a bike ride with my husband, and I commented on how lovely it was to see the yellow fields and the sunshine on the bare, brown trees - a stark kind of beauty, different from the lush sunlight on green leaves in the summer, but definitely beautiful.

I would hate living in Florida or any of the hot southern states. Ugh! All that humidity! No change of seasons! No snow! The best weather is cold, crisp weather that gets your blood flowing. Oddly enough, as my husband and I have gotten older, we've gotten to like the cold more and tolerate the heat less.

Ideally we'd love to live somewhere with cold winters (but not Arctic ones - maybe around 10-20 F in the winter) and summers that don't get hotter than around 70 F, max (and more like 65 would be perfect). Any suggestions? (We considered Alaska, but the long days of darkness would be a total deal-breaker).
__________________
Reflections on spending, saving, and living simply: www.spendingwisely.com
ordway is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 03-02-2004, 10:01 AM   #99
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 108
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

Holly,
Look into parts of Michigan.
__________________
indymom is offline   Reply With Quote
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job
Old 03-02-2004, 10:02 AM   #100
Moderator Emeritus
Martha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: minnesota
Posts: 13,212
Re: Retirement vs Perfect Job

Quote:

Actually, where I live in Minneapolis it's usually not much colder than your range although it does dip below zero about 10-20 nights per year.

I can't say many nice things about Minnesota during Dec, Jan, and Feb. but the rest of the year is very nice. The trip we took to Florida last week, took the winter edge off of us.

I did live in Florida for 3 years and it was mostly hot and muggy. So no place is perfect and I think my wife and I have decided on the snowbird approach. Gone for about 1 - 2 months in Winter.

There is nothing like a Minnesota winter to make you appreciate good weather. When I lived in Florida the weather was taken for granted.

Hey Cut-throat, as a fellow Minnesotan (Duluth), you didn't mention the 30 below weather we all got a couple of weeks ago. That sure was dipping below zero. But you can't beat summers in Duluth. Lake Superior keeps it cool, and it can be 90 degrees in Minneapolis and only 70 degrees here.
__________________

__________________
.


No more lawyer stuff, no more political stuff, so no more CYA

Martha is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Paritioned portfolios of Target Retirement 20XX for each decade of retirement chinaco FIRE and Money 11 03-15-2007 06:06 PM
Retirement Accounts and Early Retirement heebygeeby Young Dreamers 9 03-14-2007 04:56 PM
Diversifying My Retirement Funds and Confused Rob Other topics 1 10-31-2005 10:59 AM
Declining COL in retirement?... Cb FIRE and Money 31 06-09-2005 02:47 PM
How people find us... asian carp?? dory36 Forum Admin 4 05-27-2005 01:07 PM

 

 
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:44 PM.
 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.