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I agree that it's often not feasible to go back to the tee or where the shot was played from during a round...and if I have to do that, I do at least attempt to make the scoring close to the proper rule by giving it a 2-stroke penalty to account for both stroke and distance.

Yes, we usually, if we think it may be OB, will hit a provisional. If we find ball #1 in bounds, we are obligated to play it. If we choose not to, and want to play the 2nd ball, in match play we concede the hole.

If we lose a ball we thought was clearly in-bounds, or we just were too stupid to hit a provisional because we were 'sure' it was in-bounds, we drop nearby, take the stroke and distance, and move on.
We are walkers, and there just is no way we are going to walk back to the previous shot, make everybody wait, so we can say we "play by the rules".

face it, nobody back there really gives a hoot. They just want you to get out of the way.
 
Do you play by the strict rules of golf, playing it as it lies or do you roll it around, never closer to the hole, for a better lie and possibility a better shot ?

Just curious and not judging, just asking after a number of us old farts discussed the pros and cons yesterday after a wet and nasty day on the links.

If you hit your provisional and then find your original, do you play it ?

Do you take a mulligan off the first tee, or play one per nine ?

Own up dudes and lets see who plays by the rules !

we play strict rules in league and club tourns

when we gamble we play strict rules

you have to play a provisional until you find your first ball

no mulligans, they just lower your index
 
Talking about stroke and distance penalty, below is from a Rules email I receive.

Stroke and Distance Penalty for Ball Out of Bounds
Posted: 02 May 2017 08:51 AM PDT

There has been a lot of discussion in golfing circles about which Rule of Golf players would most like to see changed, in addition to the proposed changes announced by the Ruling Bodies on 1st March. At the top of nearly every informal poll I have seen is a wish to change the stroke and distance penalty for a ball played out of bounds. Players hate to have to return to where they last played from when they unexpectedly find that their ball is the wrong side of an out of bounds boundary line. When this happens there is an inevitable delay in play while the player goes back. Of course, they should have played a provisional ball, but there are occasions when the out of bounds line is not obvious from where the ball was played from and other times when players find that their ball has taken an unusual deflection in the wrong direction. There is only one way to proceed when a ball is out of bounds and a provisional ball has not been played, as in Rule 27-1b;

b. Ball Out of Bounds
If a ball is out of bounds, the player must play a ball, under penalty of one stroke, as nearly as possible at the spot from which the original ball was last played (see Rule 20-5).

The appropriate penalty for a ball that has been played out of bounds has exercised the Ruling Bodies for well over a century; it seems that there is general support for a change to be made, but it is far from obvious what that change should be. This is a summary of the various efforts made by the R&A and USGA to address the issue over the past 130 years;
1886: The term out of bounds was first defined by Royal Isle of Wight, with a penalty of stroke and distance.
1899: Defined as being outside the recognised boundaries of the course; penalty distance only.
1908: Redefined as all ground on which play is prohibited. Penalty distance only still, but may be changed to stroke and distance by Local Rule for both forms of play.
1920: Stroke and distance, but now the penalty stroke may be remitted by Local Rule.
1947: USGA (1950: R&A): Distance only, and no provision for change by a Local Rule.
1952: Stroke and distance.
1960: USGA experimentally changed to distance only.
1961: USGA back to stroke and distance. In addition, the USGA allowed an alternative procedure of stroke only, dropping a ball within two club lengths of where the ball went out of bounds, on courses where the penalty of stroke and distance would be "unduly severe".
1964: USGA allowed a Local Rule to be adopted which allowed a stroke-only option if it was felt that stroke and distance would be “unduly severe”. The player could drop a ball within two club-lengths of where the original ball crossed the out of bounds line. Reasonable evidence was required both that the ball had gone out of bounds and as to the point of crossing. In the absence of either, stroke and distance was the only option.
1968: Rescinded.
The main difficulty relating to a ball that has come to rest out of bounds is estimating where it last crossed the boundary of the course. Sometimes this may be easy to determine, as in the photo above, but more often it may lead to robust debate between players, officials and spectators. Also, there is little doubt that keeping the ball within the boundaries of the course can be a strategic part of the challenge of playing some holes. This is particularly true on courses that have tight boundaries where some holes have specifically been designed to encourage players to weigh the risk-reward of a shot and play the higher percentage route for safety. In this context, safety may include both avoiding out of bounds penalties and avoiding public liability issues from balls landing outside the course. Adjusting the penalty for balls played out of bounds could lead to players choosing to take high-risk shots towards, or over those areas, with little concern for what is on the other side.

Presently, there is no change in the ‘Draft New Rules of Golf for 2019’ with respect to what to do when a ball is lost or out of bounds; “18-2b: If a ball is lost or out of bounds, the player must take stroke-and-distance relief by adding one penalty stroke and playing the original ball or a substituted ball from where the previous stroke was made.“ However, I would not be surprised if serious representations are made from some quarters to treat out of bounds area the same as ‘red penalty areas’, for which there will be similar relief options to that for lateral water hazards in the current Rules.

Perhaps, the quandary on a suitable penalty for a ball played out of bounds is best summed up by these two statements on the subject by Thomas Pagel, Senior Director, Rules of Golf and Amateur Status for the USGA;

“We’ve looked at every angle, but of all the alternatives we’ve considered, we haven’t found one that is workable for all levels.”

“We are committed to identifying a solution. When we hit 2019, there will be solution, even if it’s by a Local Rule, because we recognize the importance going forward.”

Good golfing,




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I wonder why they just don play it like a lateral water hazard (red stake) is played .... drop another ball at point of entry and add a stroke penalty. Many courses in our area are just replacing white stakes with red stakes anyway... in casual play we play OB that way to keep things moving.
 
I wonder why they just don play it like ...

Purists.

Agree with ya'll. Make it a lateral and keep it moving for the 99.9% of us casual players. Turn the red sticks to white and activate the 4th tees back in the woods for the tournaments.
 
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I wonder why they just don play it like a lateral water hazard (red stake) is played .... drop another ball at point of entry and add a stroke penalty.

Maybe the reasoning is because once a ball goes OB it's no longer on the playing field. Not having a ball in play is considered to be more severe of a penalty than hitting into water. When your ball is in the water, it's still on the course, you just can't play or retrieve it.

In our casual rounds, when it's an obvious OB we re-hit and take the stroke and distance. If we find out it's OB after we've walked too far and it's not feasible to go back, we drop where it went out and make it a 2 stroke penalty. So, it a tee shot goes OB but no one knows until you're 200 yards down the fairway, the player drops a ball where it went out and hits their 4th. If you don't like where you have to drop...run back to the tee and hit your 3rd. We'll wait. :)
 
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