Join Early Retirement Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 04-17-2015, 02:36 PM   #21
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
braumeister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Northern Kentucky
Posts: 8,630
FWIW, here's what Consumer Reports says:
Quote:
UL and Intertek rate fire-resistant safes in terms of what type of material they'll protect and how long they'll protect it. For example, safes rated to protect paper documents shouldn't get any hotter than 350 degrees on the inside during a fire, according to John Drengenberg, consumer safety director at UL in Northbrook, Ill. If you plan to store old tape recordings or 35mm slides, however, you'll want a safe that's rated not to exceed 150 degrees inside, he says. Computer disks and DVDs are even more sensitive, so if that's what you'll be storing look for a safe whose interior won't exceed 125 degrees. This information should be on the safe itself, and you might see it on the packaging as well.

For home safes, 30 minutes of protection is most common, although you can also find safes that offer one or more hours' worth, typically with higher price tags. Generally speaking, 30 minutes should be sufficient, Bonsib says. "Fires tend to move through a home, so 20 minutes is about the average in a room or an area."
__________________

__________________
braumeister is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 Early Retirement and Financial Independence Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

Are you planning to be financially independent as early as possible so you can live life on your own terms? Discuss successful investing strategies, asset allocation models, tax strategies and other related topics in our online forum community. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. No matter where you fit in you'll find that Early-Retirement.org is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with our members, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create a retirement blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 04-17-2015, 02:52 PM   #22
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 1,050
Hide the valuables and only put a bit in the safe. That way the crooks will be decoyed by the safe.
__________________

__________________
jim584672 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-17-2015, 03:22 PM   #23
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 5,604
I bought a Liberty safe. Not cheap, your basically paying to extend the time before temperatures climb. We have important papers in there and a handful of 1911's. I don't think a bank let's you put those in safe deposit boxes.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Early Retirement Forum mobile app
__________________
MRG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-17-2015, 05:05 PM   #24
Full time employment: Posting here.
misanman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 536
My brother's locked safe was stolen by burglars. It contained only documents - nothing of value to a thief. The burglars couldn't get it open so they tossed it in a river. They were caught trying to pawn some stolen items. Not the brightest bulbs. Lesson - either leave safe unlocked or secure it so it's hard to steal.

Sent from my HTC6500LVW using Early Retirement Forum mobile app
__________________
"The best thing about the future is that it happens one day at a time." -- A. Lincoln
misanman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-17-2015, 05:33 PM   #25
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
RunningBum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 5,201
Is it as fireproof if kept unlocked? I would much rather have a thief easily open my small safe and see mostly paperwork, and take whatever valuables that probably amount to less than $1K I have in there. But I worry that the lid on my box (or the door on a larger safe) isn't as tight if not locked. Plus, if something falls on it, or the floor gives way and it drops a level, it'd probably pop open.

I guess locking it and leaving a key in it is the solution for that?
__________________
RunningBum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2015, 03:41 PM   #26
Recycles dryer sheets
Kickernick's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 70
I looked into homesites quite a bit. The fire protection is key. I bought a Sentry brand safe at Home Depot. It has a traditional key and combination lock. It was less expensive than on Amazon.com.
__________________
Kickernick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2015, 04:55 PM   #27
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
DFW_M5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,982
Quote:
Originally Posted by MRG View Post
I bought a Liberty safe. Not cheap, your basically paying to extend the time before temperatures climb. We have important papers in there and a handful of 1911's. I don't think a bank let's you put those in safe deposit boxes.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Early Retirement Forum mobile app
I also have a Liberty, and its a great choice. Sometimes you can get a good buy at a gun show if their local dealer sets up a table.
__________________
Doing things today that others won't, to do things tomorrow that others can't. Of course I'm referring to workouts, not robbing banks.
DFW_M5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2015, 06:30 PM   #28
Full time employment: Posting here.
Jack_Pine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 834
We have a Champion full size safe. Serves as gun save and the documents, jewelry and such.

I have an electronic lock for quick access. It is after all a gun safe. If I ever get another I will probably do one that has both electronic and combination entry.
__________________
The Constitution. It's not just a good idea...it's the law.
Jack_Pine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2015, 07:58 PM   #29
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern IL
Posts: 18,299
So this has me thinking. I know an 'old school' place to store valuables is the freezer, so I would think thieves know this. But what about documents that we want to keep fire-resistant, rather than protected from theft?

Freezers are big and insulated, and they have a bunch of ice in them which should provide a lot of protection in a fire (phase change absorbs a LOT of heat). So put important docs in a water-proof container, and put that in another container with ice in it, in the freezer.

And then there's this:

What Is a Safe Temperature to Store a Hard Drive? | Chron.com

Quote:
Minimum Temperature
A consumer freezer can't get cold enough to damage a hard drive. The minimal non-operational hard drive temperature is around minus 40 degrees Celsius.
Seems like a good place to store a backup hard drive?


-ERD50
__________________
ERD50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2015, 08:54 PM   #30
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
RunningBum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 5,201
I'd be more inclined to store the most vital data on a thumb drive (memory stick) and put that in a freezer, since it has no moving parts. I'd be leery off keeping a hard drive frozen, and maybe having it bumped around and the case getting cracked when shuffling frozen food. I'd also think there'd be some risk when you took it out to do another backup, with the temp rise while you backed it up at room temp followed by a drop when you put it back in. And what happens when you put unfrozen meat next to it in the freezer? It takes awhile for it to freeze, so would it partially thaw and then refreeze the drive? What about condensation, and moisture damage if ice forms around it?

Maybe a good strategy would be to keep a thumb drive with the most critical data in the freezer (in a sealed ziploc freezer bag), another in a fire proof safe, and a regular external drive more accessible to do full backups more often.
__________________
RunningBum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2015, 02:52 PM   #31
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern IL
Posts: 18,299
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunningBum View Post
I'd be more inclined to store the most vital data on a thumb drive (memory stick) and put that in a freezer, since it has no moving parts. I'd be leery off keeping a hard drive frozen, and maybe having it bumped around and the case getting cracked when shuffling frozen food. I'd also think there'd be some risk when you took it out to do another backup, with the temp rise while you backed it up at room temp followed by a drop when you put it back in. And what happens when you put unfrozen meat next to it in the freezer? It takes awhile for it to freeze, so would it partially thaw and then refreeze the drive? What about condensation, and moisture damage if ice forms around it?

Maybe a good strategy would be to keep a thumb drive with the most critical data in the freezer (in a sealed ziploc freezer bag), another in a fire proof safe, and a regular external drive more accessible to do full backups more often.
Good points. I was kind of thinking since I keep backup drives on site (plan to put one in safe deposit box... sometime..) the freezer would be some added protection.

For condensation, you should be OK if you take it out of the freezer and keep it in the sealed container until it reaches room temperature. Still a risk though. Probably not worth it, but the thumb drive/SD card should be pretty safe (and small).

-ERD50
__________________
ERD50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2015, 03:04 PM   #32
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 1,050
How about a microSD card in your wallet? Encrypted of course.
__________________
jim584672 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2015, 03:15 PM   #33
Full time employment: Posting here.
Koogie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: GTA
Posts: 858
For just documents I know some people use these fire proof pouches.

http://www.amazon.com/FIRE-PROOF-POU.../dp/B00FNDWAN4
__________________
"No one's interested in something you didn't do"
Tragically Hip - Wheat Kings
Koogie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2015, 05:57 PM   #34
Dryer sheet aficionado
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by sengsational View Post
Having a locked safe may precipitate a dangerous encounter.

If the safe is "discoverable" by intruders, they may put a gun to your head and ask you to open it. My dad had a 1940's era safe that was very finicky to open. He usually had to try several times when he was not under any time restriction, and worried that he'd not be able to get it open soon enough if threatened. So he simply left it unlocked.

If I had a locked safe, it would be in a very undiscoverable place, or else I'd leave the key in it.
It's smart to have two safes. The only concern is remembering to direct the robbers to the safe with the Monopoly money and costume jewelry inside.
__________________
Avocadorunner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2015, 10:40 PM   #35
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Sunset's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Chicago
Posts: 4,749
There is an old trick of putting a hard drive that has failed into the freezer for a few hours and then hooking it up for one last desperate shot at copying the data off it.

So as long as it was multiple freezer ziplock bagged (with a few of those moisture absorbing packets from shoes/pill containers after recharging them) I'd feel it was pretty safe.

Of course thieves might steal it for the info on it.
__________________
Sunset is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2015, 10:50 PM   #36
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Sunset's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Chicago
Posts: 4,749
One issue to protect against if you use a safe is moisture, as mold will grow on your papers.
I had a 2.4 cu safe , and some mold started growing on my papers, and all I had in there was papers and jewelry.
There are various moisture removing devices/methods available.
__________________
Sunset is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2015, 08:16 AM   #37
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
DFW_M5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,982
This video has everything you need to know about safes, albeit from a gun owners perspective, but it should be applicable for anyone wanting a home safe:
__________________
Doing things today that others won't, to do things tomorrow that others can't. Of course I'm referring to workouts, not robbing banks.
DFW_M5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2015, 08:37 AM   #38
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 3,008
Quote:
Originally Posted by jim584672 View Post
Hide the valuables and only put a bit in the safe. That way the crooks will be decoyed by the safe.
I like that idea! I'd go one step further; have a safe with fairly replaceable papers (passports, birth certificates, etc.) somewhere obvious. Have a second safe with all the jewelry elsewhere. Let them take/force me to open the one with the papers.
__________________
athena53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2015, 09:42 AM   #39
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Northern IL
Posts: 18,299
Quote:
Originally Posted by athena53 View Post
I like that idea! I'd go one step further; have a safe with fairly replaceable papers (passports, birth certificates, etc.) somewhere obvious. Have a second safe with all the jewelry elsewhere. Let them take/force me to open the one with the papers.
Better yet, the papers could all be fakes - bank & brokerage accounts with bogus numbers, tax forms with the wrong SS#, etc. They'll think they hit the jackpot! Maybe some cubic zirc in there as well - all locked up like it was really, really valuable.

Just let family know where the real stuff is.

-ERD50
__________________

__________________
ERD50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Fireproof home safes steelyman Other topics 8 12-16-2014 05:59 AM
residential safes JohnDoe Other topics 11 06-21-2007 02:37 PM

 

 
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:33 AM.
 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.