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Old 07-29-2016, 07:12 AM   #241
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?........ We drank a lot, but tipped our waiter well, even though tips were supposedly included in the all-inclusive fee. As we were leaving the beach at the end of the day, we mentioned to our waiter that we would see him tomorrow. Next day (and for the rest of the week after that), our waiter rushed to greet us when we came back done to the beach and escorted us to a group of chairs he had set up and saved for us in a very prime shady location. We tipped him even better after that. Money well spent.


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Yes, agree. We have found that tipping waiters or pool staff well, tends to diffuse most of these kinds of issues very quickly.

Here's another example of this type of behaviour.

Fitness club, busy time, all equipment in use save one stationary bike. A guy comes in in his suit and puts a towel over the one remaining stationary bike. Then goes into the change room to put his workout clothes on. Takes about 10 minutes, whereby he comes back to the bike. Somebody has removed the towel and is peddling away. Verbal altercation ensues. I am on the adjacent bike and greatly entertained.
"Saving" equipment not acceptable in my view and the remover was congratulated by me. I would have done the same in this case.
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Old 07-29-2016, 08:15 AM   #242
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...Are you actually entitled to a chair or lounger at a resort or on a cruise ship? You don't own the common area amenities. The corporation owns all the resources & property. You own whatever you brought with you....At a resort your entitled to your room. Fighting over a chair that belongs to a corporation is mind boggling.
Yes, you are correct that a guest doesn't own the common area amenities--but, I would think that the guest in entitled to use them in a way a reasonable person might expect to use them. And, maybe you own whatever you brought with you or maybe you don't. For instance, you may have borrowed something to take on the trip (e.g. a suitcase, a sunhat, a vibrator, etc.), so you don't actually own those items.

I would think that a guest is entitled to more than the room that he is paying for. If you look at the hotel's brochures (took me three tries to spell that correctly), hotels are selling relaxation by the pool area and people will fly 3000 miles (or whatever) to do just that--relax in a chaise lounge by the pool. This expectation is fostered by the hotel's brochures. Perhaps not owning something doesn't mean that you are not entitled to it.
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Yes, you are correct that a guest doesn't own the common area amenities--but, I would think that the guest in entitled to use them in a way a reasonable person might expect to use them.
I agree, so this issue boils down to this... is it reasonable for a guest to put their towel or personal items on a beach chair in a common area and leave the chair for an extended period of time and expect that no one else is allowed to use that chair when there are not enough chairs to go around and other people have no chairs to use? I say no, it is not reasonable and it is rude. And so far the people responding to the poll agree with me by almost a 4-1 margin.
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I agree, so this issue boils down to this... is it reasonable for a guest to put their towel or personal items on a beach chair in a common area and leave the chair for an extended period of time and expect that no one else is allowed to use that chair when there are not enough chairs to go around and other people have no chairs to use? I say no, it is not reasonable.
can't argue with that
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can't argue with that
So the only thing about which we disagree is whether it is appropriate for me to remove their personal stuff and use the chair? What if they put only a hotel towel on the chair, is it appropriate for me to remove that?

What if I notify the hotel management, and their response is "we have no policy on that" and they do nothing? What if I attempt to notify the hotel staff but no one is around and I can't get anyone to respond to my attempts to get a response? What if the pool attendant says he has to go ask his manager and leaves and doesn't come back? If your response is then I just have to accept it, we respectfully disagree because I don't think I have to accept the rudeness of the chair hoarder simply because of the lack of response from the hotel staff.
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So the only thing about which we disagree is whether it is appropriate for me to remove their personal stuff and use the chair? What if they put only a hotel towel on the chair, is it appropriate for me to remove that?

What if I notify the hotel management, and their response is "we have no policy on that" and they do nothing? What if I attempt to notify the hotel staff but no one is around and I can't get anyone to respond to my attempts to get a response? What if the pool attendant says he has to go ask his manager and leaves and doesn't come back? If your response is then I just have to accept it, we respectfully disagree because I don't think I have to accept the rudeness of the chair hoarder simply because of the lack of response from the hotel staff.
At least you acknowledge the main issue. Of course it's rude to save a chair for an extended period of time. That's not much of a question. The question is whether YOU should move someone's PERSONAL stuff. I think the results of that poll would be against you but I could be wrong.

You bring up a good point of what to do if hotel won't take action. However, in my experiences, the hotel will take action. As demonstrated by a few of the responses on this thread you could put yourself in harms way by moving their personal stuff.

Also, if you stay at a hotel where they charge you for beach chairs for the day then you really do "own" it for the day. I have found that to be worth the $50/day +/-. Then you come and go as you please with no risk of someone intruding on YOUR space.
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So the only thing about which we disagree is whether it is appropriate for me to remove their personal stuff and use the chair? What if they put only a hotel towel on the chair, is it appropriate for me to remove that?

What if I notify the hotel management, and their response is "we have no policy on that" and they do nothing? What if I attempt to notify the hotel staff but no one is around and I can't get anyone to respond to my attempts to get a response? What if the pool attendant says he has to go ask his manager and leaves and doesn't come back? If your response is then I just have to accept it, we respectfully disagree because I don't think I have to accept the rudeness of the chair hoarder simply because of the lack of response from the hotel staff.
moving a hotel towel is okay, touching someone else's stuff is OB (i.e. yankee move)

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Fitness club, busy time, all equipment in use save one stationary bike. A guy comes in in his suit and puts a towel over the one remaining stationary bike. Then goes into the change room to put his workout clothes on. Takes about 10 minutes, whereby he comes back to the bike. Somebody has removed the towel and is peddling away. Verbal altercation ensues. I am on the adjacent bike and greatly entertained.
"Saving" equipment not acceptable in my view and the remover was congratulated by me. I would have done the same in this case.
That's a good twist on this thread. It is slightly different than beach chairs but why!? I don't know the answer. I am a gym freak and most gyms I have visited over the years have posted signs and/or written policies specifying 30 minute time limit when people are waiting. Unfortunately they usually do not specify you can't save a bike for some period of time. I would say the possibility of that ending up in a fight is great. It's definitely bad form, in a gym setting, to save a bike for 10 minutes. It's a limited use item to begin with so to hold one for 10 minutes is clearly wrong. I am a creature of habit guy. I go to the gym at the same time every day. I see the same people. If someone did that everyday, and people were waiting for equipment, they would be an outcast.
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moving a hotel towel is okay, touching someone else's stuff is OB (i.e. yankee move)

just get out there earlier next time - this is an ER forum - no sleeping in!
I am generally with you in this thread. However, where on earth is "yankee move" defined? I want to make sure I don't commit such a move.
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I am generally with you in this thread. However, where on earth is "yankee move" defined? I want to make sure I don't commit such a move.
it's a term of derision we use in Texas - it basically means someone from up north that's rude

1)Yankee-Someone who was born and still lives in the north.
2)Damn Yankee- Someone born in the north who moves to the south with intentions on moving back up north.
3)GD Yankee- Someone born in the north who moves to the south with intentions of staying in the south.
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So touching a towel is ok because it's not owned by the guest but removing personal items from the corporate chair is not ok. What about dumping the personal items without actually touching the items? Is that a party foul. For all you know the personal items might be borrowed or stolen. Technically if your a$$ isn't in the chair it is fair game. Just like the exercise equipment in the gym. If you expect a towel to be a place holder in a gym you just won the the dufus of the day award.
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Just Curious: I hope you're not on vacation writing this post/reply!

I was thinking some way if having a denver boot for the beach chair; you could always take a bicycle cable lock and join multiple chairs together. Take a baby's rattle, toy ... most people would bypass that chair and find other. Perhaps a oxygen tank and tubing, medical report stating a terminal illness -- I think most would let this chair undisturbed.

Like someone said, 1st world country problem. Get up early, claim your chair and your spot.

Hope you had an enjoyable and fun vacation. Where did you go? Please don't say the Jersey shore.
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Where did you go? Please don't say the Jersey shore.
that would explain a lot
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it's a term of derision we use in Texas - it basically means someone from up north that's rude...

3)GD Yankee- Someone born in the north who moves to the south with intentions of staying in the south.
Really? There are such people?
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it's a term of derision we use in Texas - it basically means someone from up north that's rude

1)Yankee-Someone who was born and still lives in the north.
2)Damn Yankee- Someone born in the north who moves to the south with intentions on moving back up north.
3)GD Yankee- Someone born in the north who moves to the south with intentions of staying in the south.

Oh ok. I thought it must be a British saying. Lol.
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I have stayed in resorts where the rule is 30 minutes vacant then the staff moves the stuff to the pool house. It is strictly enforced during busy times. The rules are clearly posted.
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I am generally with you in this thread. However, where on earth is "yankee move" defined? I want to make sure I don't commit such a move.
It's a term of endearment used by rednecks to try to boost their inferiority complex. Especially those form Texas where everything is bigger and better then everywhere else. Including there low self-esteem.
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According to a survey by TripAdvisor...

“Reserving” Chairs: an Unwelcome Practice

84 percent get agitated when others save beach or pool chairs by leaving belongings on them.
37 percent maintain there should be a 30-minute limit on seating being saved, while a further 30 percent will tolerate up to one hour – and just 14 percent think chair hogging for any longer than that is acceptable.
19 percent maintain that saving chairs should not be allowed for any time period.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/PressCen..._Releases.html
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It's a term of endearment used by rednecks to try to boost their inferiority complex. Especially those form Texas where everything is bigger and better then everywhere else. Including there low self-esteem.
did you get that from a google search? (cause that's where I got my definition)
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It's a term of endearment used by rednecks to try to boost their inferiority complex. Especially those form Texas where everything is bigger and better then everywhere else. Including there low self-esteem.

Here's a bit from one of my favorite Texas performers telling everyone how he feels about people not from Texas.

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