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Old 05-12-2008, 06:32 PM   #61
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just a warning... a shotgun for self defense in close quarters is not the best choice.
Way back in my youth, I walked into a store that was being robbed. Bad guy pointed a 12 gauge at me and said 'get on the floor'. I've never seen a hole bigger than the bore of that 12 gauge. There must be an intimidation factor in those things, I'd have obeyed even if I was packing a Mat Dillon 45.
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I will continue to use my PPK 32 - It has sentimental value as it was donated to me by a NVA Lieutenant many years ago. I do not know where he got it but it dates to WWII (Germany). Works great and is small enough to carry in a pocket.
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Despite the fact that I have over a dozen guns in the house, none are available for quick self defense. They're all locked away where grandkids or whoever can't get at 'em. I'm very, very careful about that. And DW would never use a gun anyway. But I do keep my bear pepper spray containers that accompany us on camping trips handy. They dispense under more pressure and much more volume than the sprays intended for use on humans and I think would slow a human intruder down for a little bit.

Yeah, I know I won't be able to hit a gopher between the eyes at 300 yds like I could with my 22-250 Remington model 700. But we're talking about close quarters, probably in the dark and am only looking for a few seconds to get myself and DW the hell out of there.
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good luck indoors as your blinded too. or maybe it will have more of an effect on you then the bad guy leaving you blinded... soooo many times on cops you see them spray perps and its like nothing. the attack continues.

its funny how people have such perceptions about self defence and what works and how bad guys will run at the sound of racking a gun, or how they will just fall down and stop attacking you if hit with a small caliber round or how they envision a shotgun will work at very short distances..... the movies and tv really did a number on us and its quite far from reality.


to learn the real deal check out the books and studies wriiten by combat trainer and expert massad ayoub . massad is the foremost authority and trainer for most law enforcement agencys in the country. he serves as the most popular firearms and self defence expert witness in the country. with both experience and countless accounts and studies of actual attacks, breakins, car jackings, etc he has a great book called the truth about self protection. i suggest anyone with an interest in getting away from the folk lure and actually learning pick up any of his books.

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I will continue to use my PPK 32 - It has sentimental value as it was donated to me by a NVA Lieutenant many years ago. I do not know where he got it but it dates to WWII (Germany). Works great and is small enough to carry in a pocket.

although the caliber leaves much to be desired the ppk has always been a little star ever since james bond made it popular.... at one time the wait for a new one was rediculious as it was in demand.
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a nice carry gun that fits in your pocket is something along the lines of the hammerless s&w 640 revolver. although again .38 for self defence is a bit weak the fact that it fits nicely in a pocket or robe and can fire from a pocket without jamming as the hammer of the revolver is encased inside is very nice to be able to do,...try that with a semi-auto and see if you can get off more than 1 round without a jam as the slide trys to go back.

one night i heard a banging at my front door . the person never answered back each time i asked who it is.. i couldnt really see thru the peephole so i slipped on a robe, put the 640 in my pocket and opened the door.


it turned out to be a non english speaking guy who was at the right house but wrong block..all our houses look the same as they were attached town houses. .. he never was the wiser that he had a gun trained on him when i opened the door.
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I don't have much respect for pepper spray anymore. Every year I inundate my Disturbance Control Team with it so they get used to it, and more importantly so they understand that they CAN still function and fight despite it.

This year's course was to take a direct face spray, walk a 32' crooked balance beam (4x4's on the ground), run 50 yards, enter the building, search and subdue the "inmate" and then escort him from the building. THEN they could go get the spray washed out of their face and eyes. As team leader for both teams I got sprayed two days in a row. Everybody completed the course, and now we all pray we don't have to rely on pepper spray. But around the inmates all the guys talk about is how bad it hurts and how debilitating it is. A little psych warfare, so to speak.
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I will continue to use my PPK 32 - It has sentimental value as it was donated to me by a NVA Lieutenant many years ago. I do not know where he got it but it dates to WWII (Germany). Works great and is small enough to carry in a pocket.
I have two, both ex-German police. Nice little guns, and better sights than those on my old Savage.

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Pistoleros. Just saying: Sig Sauer 225, got one today from the linked source, outstanding. Got the $299 version, $319 in my hands. Happiness is a warm gun. Scope it out.

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Hmmm - always wanted to have one handy at the other end of the house.... thanks for the link
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Hmmm - always wanted to have one handy at the other end of the house.... thanks for the link
Word is that the internals on them all are outstanding, difference is mostly holster wear in the two grades - so if you just want a shooter save the $40 and get the $259 version.
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Take a look at this new gun - looks good for cc. One thing about cc is that it has to be easy to carry. I have a glock 26 th at is a great 9mm but even that gun is a bit much to carry. A lot of people talk about stopping power. A key aspect is to get out of the situation ASAP. So first you need to have a gun with you; then you need to be accurate with it. The final part is stopping power.

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good luck indoors as your blinded too. or maybe it will have more of an effect on you then the bad guy leaving you blinded... soooo many times on cops you see them spray perps and its like nothing. the attack continues.
I wouldn't think for a minute that a dose of pepper spray would be as effective as a 12 guage blast to the face at close range...... but again, I frequently have little kids in the house and therefore my guns are well secured with ammo and guns locked in separate locations. At least 2 -3 mins to get a gun out, get ammo and load. And I don't think I could expect DW to use a gun even if we had them stashed, loaded and ready, around the house.
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I don't have much respect for pepper spray anymore.
It's my compromise between having guns instantly accessible and located in several locations in the house and having nothing. If there was something going on, a disturbance in the neighborhood, riots in the streets, I'd unlock and load up, probably a 2 - 3 minute undertaking the way I have things secured now. For 24 x 7 instant availability, I just can't get myself comfortable with readily accessible, loaded guns.

In your application, I think you're looking to subdue folks. I'm just looking for a few seconds or so to get us out of there in the event we were totally surprised by an intruder.

BTW, I'm a long time registered gun owner, a hunter, a reloader and a supporter of gun ownership rights. I just don't support instant availability of firearms in homes frequented by small children.
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BTW, I'm a long time registered gun owner, a hunter, a reloader and a supporter of gun ownership rights. I just don't support instant availability of firearms in homes frequented by small children.
I don't hunt or reload, but otherwise: "ditto".
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I keep one gun in my home (loaded) -- in a locked, 4-button combination locked safe, easily accessible, if needed. My choice in the Ruger "Alaskan" Super Nighthawk - 2" barrel w/a magnum load. Very innacurate, unless you have it pressed against your target, but the noise will make the toughest of the tuff, drop-trou and run. I don't want to kill anything, but I have nothing against scaring the living-hell out of something .
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I like what I'm seeing. That Sig brings back happy/sad memories of early Sigs in this country when Browning marketed them as the BDA. I had a set of 9mm, .45, and the ever popular .38super. The simplest take down I've ever seen, literally 4 parts total for that pistol, frame/barrel/spring/slide. The sad part is I had to give them up in the late early 80's due to family obligations. Huge regrets, but I see it's not too late to get the equivalent of the P220 back. Total reliability!

I still have a PPK/s .380 the first version of the Walther built in the USA. I have a 3 digit serial number, 2nd one in town after the shop owner claimed the first one for himself.

That little Ruger is way-cool, looks to be considerably smaller and lighter that the Walther.

I'm feeling inspired to get back into this if I can wade through CA Gun Law. I know it's changed in the last 20 years, but I'm not sure how bad for law abiding gun owners.
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I'm feeling inspired to get back into this if I can wade through CA Gun Law. I know it's changed in the last 20 years, but I'm not sure how bad for law abiding gun owners.
I know nothing about Californian firearms legislation; but I can pretty much guarantee you that it's worse for law abiding gun owners than it is for the non-law abiding ones!
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I just picked up two Sigs, both with the double action only trigger pull. I carry one and got the other to try out. One is a 9mm (239 SAS), the other .45 ACP (220).

Not sure what I'll do in the summer, as both are good sized. The Ruger LCP may be a good option.
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A problem with amassing a personal arsenal is the inability to easily test its efficacy in a real-life personal defense scenario. Who wants to wait around for weeks, months, or even years before being attacked? A solution to this problem is to take a cue from the Bush administration's foreign policy team and actively provoke a personal attack. How to do this? I suggest tracking down a motorcycle gang in your town, wait until they all go into a saloon for a beer, knock over all of their bikes, walk into the bar and shriek that they're all a bunch of limp-wristed-pinko-commie-faggots, leave your card with your home address on the floor, and high-tail it out of there. Within 4 hours you'll be able to play with your deadly new toys in a real-life personal defense scenario. Bang! Bang! Bang! Ooooh, what fun! Bring 'em on!

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A problem with amassing a personal arsenal is the inability to easily test its efficacy in a real-life personal defense scenario. Who wants to wait around for weeks, months, or even years before being attacked? A solution to this problem is to take a cue from the Bush administration's foreign policy team and actively provoke a personal attack. How to do this? I suggest tracking down a motorcycle gang in your town, wait until they all go into a saloon for a beer, knock over all of their bikes, walk into the bar and shriek that they're all a bunch of limp-wristed-pinko-commie-faggots, leave your card with your home address on the floor, and high-tail it out of there. Within 4 hours you'll be able to play with your deadly new toys in a real-life personal defense scenario. Bang! Bang! Bang! Ooooh, what fun! Bring 'em on!

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