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Old 08-31-2007, 11:01 AM   #21
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I would guess they bring a hole saw.
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The way I see it is that he got arrested for playing footsie and waving his hand around. I don't understand why he was arrested so fast. Shouldn't the officer waited until it escalated further?

I have another question but someone probably will have to answer me by pm or be a very careful writer. How do they have sex when one guy is in one stall and the other guy in another stall. Where does "it" go?

There Leonidas, I out did you on the gross out factor.
I would have thought that the case would have been a bit weak if the good senator had been willing to fight it in court. However, he plead "homo", so its a moot point.

Never having trafficked in such things I am speculating, but I would imagine that once a suitable target has been acquired via toe-tapping, hand action, and I don't want to know what else, the senator would have shimmied under the divider wall into the officer's stall for some good times.
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Thanks, Martha, that was my question, too.
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Where does "it" go?
There are some things I don't really want to know.
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I was wondering the same thing, Martha. How?

Shimmy under into the next stall? Yuck! Filthy floors aside from what they are going to do. I had to do that once when my little granddaughter managed to get herself "locked in" and couldn't remember how to undo what she had just accomplished by fitting the lock together. I had a hard time slipping under the stall. How would a large man do it?
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REWahoo, I said I was wondering . . . I guess I don't really want to know either.

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How would a large man do it?
Never understimate how motivated a sufficiently horny guy can be.
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i suppose there are no humping heterosexuals engaged in public sex on fort lauderdale beach at night. or in a car at your local mall. why aren't they getting arrested?
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As I've been watching this stuff . . . um . . . unfold on TV news, I keep getting that old Lay's potato chip slogan going thru my head: "Nobody can eat just one."

Seriously, I don't see this as a gay or homosexual thing. To call it that is insulting toward good gay folks. I sort of see him as a male nymphomaniac, a child with no will power, unable to get control over his basic impulses. It's even more disgusting that he is an old man with no control, probably a grandfather.



.........................what do women do in those circumstances?
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This got more interest that I anticipated. I'll have to reply a little later when I have more time (I know, whadaya do all day?). I'm surprised that nobody picked up on this yet:

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i suppose there are no humping heterosexuals engaged in public sex on fort lauderdale beach at night. or in a car at your local mall. why aren't they getting arrested?
My post would have been a lot longer if I had tried to address all the things I was anticipating that might come up - but while writing I did wonder if you would respond and what you might say. I'll answer in a bit more detail later, but I'll just say that we were equal opportunity when it came to arresting offenders but we respond to complaints. We got plenty of complaints about heterosexual activity (prostitution, pornography, sex in clubs, etc) and arrested them the same as anyone else.
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you force gay men into closets with your constitutional amendments banning gay marriage and then you hunt them down once you've locked them behind your partitions.

this is shooting fish in a barrel and calling yourselves sportsmen.
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i suppose there are no humping heterosexuals engaged in public sex on fort lauderdale beach at night. or in a car at your local mall. why aren't they getting arrested?
I have my own questions about all this. Why are we spending tax dollars to go after these folks at all?

If they're right out in the open having sex where anyone (including children) can see them and lodge a complaint, then yes, arrest them.

But if you have to entrap them because they're in the stall together and nobody can see what's going on without peeking, then I'm not sure what harm they're doing?

IMHO, I'd rather have the police out fighting violent crime (including sex crimes such as rape), than hanging in the mens' room all night.
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I have another question but someone probably will have to answer me by pm or be a very careful writer. How do they have sex when one guy is in one stall and the other guy in another stall. Where does "it" go?
I think you mean "how?", not "where?"

I would have thought one guy would just go into the other guy's stall, but
according to A roundup of questions about U.S. senators and sex in public bathrooms. - By Christopher Beam - Slate Magazine they also sometimes manage under the stall divider.

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I think you mean "how?", not "where?"

they also sometimes manage under the stall divider.

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Seriously, I dont have a problem with the police setting stings after getting complaints of lewd acts in a public restroom....
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Because of homophobia, we have two sets of men: those who admit they are gay and those who deny they are gay, but 9may) admit to having sex with men. It is sad that people fear the labels (with some justification) so much that they can't comfortably form the private adult relations that make them happy.

A bit off topic, but in the public health world, it is critical to direct separate messages to these two groups of men. Men who have sex with men (but don't classify themselves as gay), do not heed public health messages about safe sex, STDs, etc that are directed to gay men. So, they deny the risk and because they are often married or have serial relationships, they place their partners at risk as well.
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We got plenty of complaints about heterosexual activity (prostitution, pornography, sex in clubs, etc) and arrested them the same as anyone else.
so gays and str8s are treated the same? i suspect you didn't even buy that while you were typing it.
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A bit off topic, but in the public health world, it is critical to direct separate messages to these two groups of men. Men who have sex with men (but don't classify themselves as gay), do not heed public health messages about safe sex, STDs, etc that are directed to gay men. So, they deny the risk and because they are often married or have serial relationships, they place their partners at risk as well.
as opposed to the str8 guys who are screwing around with females but apparently immune from transmitting stds.
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Maybe this explains why when I get off from a plane and head for the can, all the dang stalls are "in use". Gay or straight, get the heck out of there and let a guy do his business!
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as opposed to the str8 guys who are screwing around with females but apparently immune from transmitting stds.
True, but the difference is, when they hear messages directed at heterosexual activity, they acknowledge that those messages might actually apply to them. Whether they follow through is a whole 'nother thing entirely - As you said, "I am immune" "It won't happen to me" are likely responses. But that is different than " that doesn't apply to me". Subtle distinction yes, but for prevention and health promotion, the distinction results in different needed strategies/messages.
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