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Old 03-03-2012, 08:49 PM   #241
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Someone once told me that to make one Coke can would cost over $1,000. I wonder how much a volt would cost if they produced them in the same volume as Corollas.
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Old 03-03-2012, 09:23 PM   #242
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Someone once told me that to make one Coke can would cost over $1,000. I wonder how much a volt would cost if they produced them in the same volume as Corollas.
Maybe more. Would it increase demand for lithium batteries, driving prices up?

The Coke can is a really poor comparison. You are comparing the mass production of a commodity item to a machinist hand-crafting one in a machine shop. The Volt is not a hand-crafted one-off. And they didn't load the full production cost into the first 1,000 units, they are amortizing it over some number (the 120,000 'potential' customers?).

Here's a homework project for you T-Al. The Volt has a 16 kWh battery. Laptop batteries are mass-produced. So add up the cost of 16 kWh worth of laptop batteries, and see what you get. Even then, you need to consider that laptop batteries often only last a few years, because they suck out a lot of watt-hours from that package. The Volt needs to be much gentler on its batteries to extend their life, so it takes more/larger cells to get that 16 kWh out w/o running them through such a wide charge/discharge range.

I think you'll find the raw batteries alone cost far more than any ICE, and anything with that many batteries will have to have a higher sticker price than ICE until battery prices come down.

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GM has just announced it will be idling the plant (and the 1300 workers at that plant) where the 'game changing' Chevy Volt electric car is -- uh, was -- built.
Sounds like those who want a Volt had better buy one soon.
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Maybe more. Would it increase demand for lithium batteries, driving prices up?

The Coke can is a really poor comparison. You are comparing the mass production of a commodity item to a machinist hand-crafting one in a machine shop. The Volt is not a hand-crafted one-off. And they didn't load the full production cost into the first 1,000 units, they are amortizing it over some number (the 120,000 'potential' customers?).

Here's a homework project for you T-Al. The Volt has a 16 kWh battery. Laptop batteries are mass-produced. So add up the cost of 16 kWh worth of laptop batteries, and see what you get. Even then, you need to consider that laptop batteries often only last a few years, because they suck out a lot of watt-hours from that package. The Volt needs to be much gentler on its batteries to extend their life, so it takes more/larger cells to get that 16 kWh out w/o running them through such a wide charge/discharge range.

I think you'll find the raw batteries alone cost far more than any ICE, and anything with that many batteries will have to have a higher sticker price than ICE until battery prices come down.

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The video clip that I posted awhile back said the cost of the batteries in the Leaf was $16,000... I would think the Volt is the same or more...
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Old 03-06-2012, 10:29 PM   #245
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OK... someone posted that the Volt was the same as the Cruze... at first I was skeptical... but looking at the comparison it might be very close...

Compare Vehicles: 2012 Chevrolet Volt vs. 2012 Chevrolet Cruze

Interesting that the 5 year cost to own is about the same... Volt is first..

Average Cost Per Mile
$0.55
$0.54



True Cost to OwnŽ ?
$41,462
$40,133
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