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cute fuzzy bunny · 03-01-2006, 02:14 PM

So I should tell my wife that three ladies are stopping by to do something to my unit...can we schedule this or is it just one of those sponteous things...?

**Martha** · 03-01-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cute n' Fuzzy Bunny

Not taking a position, but its likely that any resulting deaths would be reported as a result of an ongoing infection or other complication rather than the originating procedure that caused the infection or other complication.

I bet that infection/complication deaths are attributed to the underlying procedure. For example ectopic pregnancy deaths attributed to tubal ligation are counted as resulting from the tubal ligation.

SteveR · 03-01-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cute n' Fuzzy Bunny

Not taking a position, but its likely that any resulting deaths would be reported as a result of an ongoing infection or other complication rather than the originating procedure that caused the infection or other complication.

Late reporting could happen but if a death were to occur due to infection it would most likely happen within a few days of the surgery so it would be associated with the surgical event for reporting purposes. *Part of my job is customer complaints for medical products and reporting of events associated with use of these products. *It would be normal practice to evaluate any medical treatments that could have occured within a few days or weeks of the death or report of serious injury or illness. *It would be very unlikely for a pathologist to miss a surgical event during an autopsy when the death was attributed to an infection serious enough to kill a person. *

Sheryl · 03-01-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarhead*

Sheryl:* If that's true, Ha, and the future of the entire human race, regardless of how much Wheat Bread you bring to the table is in deep
s--t.

I thought one of us was supposed to be getting a sex change operation or something

Sheryl · 03-01-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Martha

Sounds good.* Sheryl, you wanna help?* *

Just making sure the scissors are dull sharp.

Jarhead* · 03-01-2006, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheryl

I thought one of us was supposed to be getting a sex change operation or something

Sheryl: Nope. That reference was made by the "Cute Fuzzy, something or other.

SteveR · 03-01-2006, 02:58 PM

Speaking of statistics........

One in six men have had a vasectomy by age 35. Ref. National Cancer Institute.

They also report a slight increase in potential prostate cancer risk for men who have had a vasectomy.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/f...Risk/vasectomy

haha · 03-01-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveR

Anybody have data from a reliable source that would document the number of deaths associated with vasectomies on an annual basis? *

However, there is data on deaths from tubal ligation (female snip snip) that indicates 20 deaths per thousand cases...mostly from anesthesia.

I don't have time now to check, but this figure is suspect. That is 2 per 100! In a big tertiary care hospital, there would be at least 2 deaths each week froim surgical anesthesia alone.

Ha

Outtahere · 03-01-2006, 04:50 PM

Martha we can do CFB too but I think he'd enjoy it more than we would.

Cool Dood · 03-01-2006, 04:58 PM

I was going to post a new topic about how brave all of the women here are, not only doing the RE thing but having to put up with all the foul-mouthed obscenity boys-will-be-boys stuff that goes on here.... but after seeing how eager so many of you are to do unspeakable things to men

I think I'll have to reconsider.........

SteveR · 03-01-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HaHa

I don't have time now to check, but this figure is suspect. That is 2 per 100! In a big tertiary care hospital, there would be at least 2 deaths each week froim surgical anesthesia alone.

Ha

Ha,

The rate that was quoted was 1.5%.

Keep in mind there are over 70k deaths each year in the US attributable to "medical errors" in hospitals. Hospitals are not safe places to be sick...people tend to die in them.

Outtahere · 03-01-2006, 05:55 PM

Watch out Cool Dood, we're a roving band of three with snippers in hand ready to take on anyone that get's in our way.

cute fuzzy bunny · 03-01-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Outtahere

Martha we can do CFB too but I think he'd enjoy it more than we would.

Only if there is an extensive pre-surgery inspection. And a second opinion.

BUM · 03-02-2006, 05:58 AM

The poll is still running 40/60...good allocation. I like being among the 40, stiff competition.

**Martha** · 03-02-2006, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BUM

The poll is still running 40/60...good allocation.

I am impressed. But I didn't get as many responses as I did to the marijuana poll.

Marquette · 06-25-2008, 11:29 AM

Sorry to bump this thread... well, actually, it might be a fun trip down memory lane for some people.

Thought I'd post my comments here based on a slightly veering discussion over on the daycare cost thread: Daycare costs.

I'm 30. I had a vasectomy when I was 25. My wife and I knew when we were first married (over 7 years ago) that we didn't want to have kids. We've both thought that, if biological need ever drove us to want kids, we could adopt. Still, we waited a bit before committing to the surgery.

Just as I'm sure it's important that both spouses are on board with having kids, I think it's equally important that they're on board with not having kids. Luckily, we both hate them... I know, I know, thank goodness our parents didn't feel the same way.

I was intent on going with a no-scalpel vasectomy. The first doctor we talked to had beer breath and a stain on his shirt (it was just after lunch, but still). He didn't seem that enthusiastic about performing the surgery since we were young and didn't have kids (no one questions your desire to tie things off if you've been married forever and already have several kids). That was ok, though, since I didn't want a sloppy drunk to cut into my balls either.

The second doctor came on a referral and didn't really care about our motivation for the procedure. After reviewing everything with him, I set up an appointment to get it done.

The prep work involved is pretty much just taking your razor in and tidying the boys up a bit. When I got there on the day, the assisting nurse was prepared to shave, but she said I did a remarkable job and she didn't need to do anything.

They put me on laughing gas to keep me calm and administered a local anesthetic. I don't recall everything about the procedure but I think it went down like this... with a no-scalpel, they isolate the vans under the skin then puncture the sac and fish 'em out. They snip and cauterize. They then cap one side so they can't grow back together and stuff them back in and stitch everything closed.

The advantage of a no-scalpel is that the recovery time is much faster.

Oh, I was told to break out the briefs for the day of and the week after the procedure. I had to keep the packed with gauze the first few days but I needed the support for about 6 days total. Recovery time meant not lifting heavy stuff or walking the dog (not a euphemism, I mean I couldn't take our dog Bandit out for his walks) and putting some frozen peas on as needed. I also walked like a cowboy for the first two days.

After recovery, you'll be tested after about a month and then two months. Brown bag a sample and bring it in to the lab and they'll get back to you.

Odds are pretty good after the 2 month mark that you're clear but you might want to pay for a retest after 6 months and a year. The odds are even better that you're clear after the 6 month mark. The issue is if the vans grow back together. That is some plumbing you don't want unclogged.

You really need to continue with your old method of birth control until the second all-clear. I know of one guy that got the surgery and then had some relations that night. She got pregnant. Oops.

Anyway, that's all I can think of of. I think more and more doctors are moving to no-scalpel so it should be easier to find. I've found that both family practice doctors and urologists will perform the procedure. I'm guessing that it's easier now if you're a single guy and want to have one, but you still may run into doctors that will try and talk you out of it or strongly caution against it.

ProspectiveBum · 06-25-2008, 01:00 PM

You had a few funny lines in there Marquette.

I voted 'No', because my wife opted for a tubal ligation when our second child was born via non-elective c-section. I would have gotten snipped if she hadn't.

SecondCor521 · 06-25-2008, 01:23 PM

I was snipped by the best urologist in the area shortly after our last child was born. She's now six, so I would have been around 33 years old.

At the time I didn't realize I was going to be divorced four years later. Even so, I did intuitively make sure that *I* was done having children, not just that *we* were done having children. I did theoretically consider what would happen if I divorced and remarried, or if one of my children died. In both cases I decided that I was really and truly done.

I made the decision because to me it was imminently practical: compared to the alternatives, a vasectomy is much cheaper, definitely safer both in terms of the procedure itself compared to tubals and longer term compared to BCPs with respect to side effects, and slightly more effective at preventing pregnancy. The fact that it can also be empirically tested to be successful afterwards (via the "brown bag" test) is a nice bonus.

In my case, I had absolutely no problems at all with the procedure. No discomfort, no swelling, no nothing. I think I had it done on a Friday and was back at work at my office job on Monday.

2Cor521

FinanceDude · 06-25-2008, 01:42 PM

I am willing to have it done, but DW is reluctant..........

View Poll Results: For men only: Have you had a vasectomy?
yes	49	42.61%
no	66	57.39%
Voters: 115. You may not vote on this poll

03-01-2006, 02:14 PM	#81
cute fuzzy bunny Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ... Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Losing my whump Posts: 22,527	Re: Snip Snip So I should tell my wife that three ladies are stopping by to do something to my unit...can we schedule this or is it just one of those sponteous things...? __________________ Many an optimist has become rich by buying out a pessimist

03-01-2006, 02:58 PM	#87
SteveR Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,675	Re: Snip Snip Speaking of statistics........ One in six men have had a vasectomy by age 35. Ref. National Cancer Institute. They also report a slight increase in potential prostate cancer risk for men who have had a vasectomy. http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/f...Risk/vasectomy __________________ Work? I don't have time to work....I'm retired.

03-01-2006, 04:50 PM	#89
Outtahere Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,677	Re: Snip Snip Martha we can do CFB too but I think he'd enjoy it more than we would. __________________ Dogs aren't our whole lives, but they make our lives whole. - Roger Caras

03-01-2006, 04:58 PM	#90
Cool Dood Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 784	Re: Snip Snip I was going to post a new topic about how brave all of the women here are, not only doing the RE thing but having to put up with all the foul-mouthed obscenity boys-will-be-boys stuff that goes on here.... but after seeing how eager so many of you are to do unspeakable things to men I think I'll have to reconsider.........

03-01-2006, 05:55 PM	#92
Outtahere Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,677	Re: Snip Snip Watch out Cool Dood, we're a roving band of three with snippers in hand ready to take on anyone that get's in our way. __________________ Dogs aren't our whole lives, but they make our lives whole. - Roger Caras

03-02-2006, 05:58 AM	#94
BUM Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,549	Re: Snip Snip The poll is still running 40/60...good allocation. I like being among the 40, stiff competition. __________________ In a panamax down by the river.

06-25-2008, 11:29 AM	#96
Marquette Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,020	Sorry to bump this thread... well, actually, it might be a fun trip down memory lane for some people. Thought I'd post my comments here based on a slightly veering discussion over on the daycare cost thread: Daycare costs. I'm 30. I had a vasectomy when I was 25. My wife and I knew when we were first married (over 7 years ago) that we didn't want to have kids. We've both thought that, if biological need ever drove us to want kids, we could adopt. Still, we waited a bit before committing to the surgery. Just as I'm sure it's important that both spouses are on board with having kids, I think it's equally important that they're on board with not having kids. Luckily, we both hate them... I know, I know, thank goodness our parents didn't feel the same way. I was intent on going with a no-scalpel vasectomy. The first doctor we talked to had beer breath and a stain on his shirt (it was just after lunch, but still). He didn't seem that enthusiastic about performing the surgery since we were young and didn't have kids (no one questions your desire to tie things off if you've been married forever and already have several kids). That was ok, though, since I didn't want a sloppy drunk to cut into my balls either. The second doctor came on a referral and didn't really care about our motivation for the procedure. After reviewing everything with him, I set up an appointment to get it done. The prep work involved is pretty much just taking your razor in and tidying the boys up a bit. When I got there on the day, the assisting nurse was prepared to shave, but she said I did a remarkable job and she didn't need to do anything. They put me on laughing gas to keep me calm and administered a local anesthetic. I don't recall everything about the procedure but I think it went down like this... with a no-scalpel, they isolate the vans under the skin then puncture the sac and fish 'em out. They snip and cauterize. They then cap one side so they can't grow back together and stuff them back in and stitch everything closed. The advantage of a no-scalpel is that the recovery time is much faster. Oh, I was told to break out the briefs for the day of and the week after the procedure. I had to keep the packed with gauze the first few days but I needed the support for about 6 days total. Recovery time meant not lifting heavy stuff or walking the dog (not a euphemism, I mean I couldn't take our dog Bandit out for his walks) and putting some frozen peas on as needed. I also walked like a cowboy for the first two days. After recovery, you'll be tested after about a month and then two months. Brown bag a sample and bring it in to the lab and they'll get back to you. Odds are pretty good after the 2 month mark that you're clear but you might want to pay for a retest after 6 months and a year. The odds are even better that you're clear after the 6 month mark. The issue is if the vans grow back together. That is some plumbing you don't want unclogged. You really need to continue with your old method of birth control until the second all-clear. I know of one guy that got the surgery and then had some relations that night. She got pregnant. Oops. Anyway, that's all I can think of of. I think more and more doctors are moving to no-scalpel so it should be easier to find. I've found that both family practice doctors and urologists will perform the procedure. I'm guessing that it's easier now if you're a single guy and want to have one, but you still may run into doctors that will try and talk you out of it or strongly caution against it.

06-25-2008, 01:00 PM	#97
ProspectiveBum Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 206	You had a few funny lines in there Marquette. I voted 'No', because my wife opted for a tubal ligation when our second child was born via non-elective c-section. I would have gotten snipped if she hadn't.

06-25-2008, 01:23 PM	#98
SecondCor521 Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Boise Posts: 1,333	I was snipped by the best urologist in the area shortly after our last child was born. She's now six, so I would have been around 33 years old. At the time I didn't realize I was going to be divorced four years later. Even so, I did intuitively make sure that I was done having children, not just that we were done having children. I did theoretically consider what would happen if I divorced and remarried, or if one of my children died. In both cases I decided that I was really and truly done. I made the decision because to me it was imminently practical: compared to the alternatives, a vasectomy is much cheaper, definitely safer both in terms of the procedure itself compared to tubals and longer term compared to BCPs with respect to side effects, and slightly more effective at preventing pregnancy. The fact that it can also be empirically tested to be successful afterwards (via the "brown bag" test) is a nice bonus. In my case, I had absolutely no problems at all with the procedure. No discomfort, no swelling, no nothing. I think I had it done on a Friday and was back at work at my office job on Monday. 2Cor521 __________________ "At times the world can seem an unfriendly and sinister place, but believe us when we say there is much more good in it than bad. All you have to do is look hard enough, and what might seem to be a series of unfortunate events, may in fact be the first steps of a journey." Violet Baudelaire.

06-25-2008, 01:42 PM	#99
FinanceDude Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ... Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,430	I am willing to have it done, but DW is reluctant..........