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1. They say the E. coli is in the spinach, because it was absorbed through the groundwater (washing doesn't help). But they also say they don't know if the source was in the field or during processing. But how could the E. coli get into the spinach during processing (rather than on it).
I have not heard this. The way I understood it, is that washing does not help because they have found that you only need to ingest as few as 10 bacteria to get infected. This makes washing almost impossible because of the small amounts.
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Old 09-19-2006, 11:52 AM   #22
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In the months before this event with the spinach, the exact same thing occured with lettuce: an outbreak of the virulent strain of e. coli. *The source then as now remains somewhat a mystery, although with the usual suspects. *It's a shame, since the products were grown in the Salinas Valley, that the Ventura spinach growers are being devastated as well. *Farming is a tough business from so many angles.
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Old 09-19-2006, 12:02 PM   #23
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I just read that most US spinach comes from New Jersey and their sales are dead. It is really going to hurt the farmers and NJ spinach has not been the source of the outbreak.

I want my spinach. I hate lettuce. All my salads are spinach salads. How will I live.

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1. They say the E. coli is in the spinach, because it was absorbed through the groundwater (washing doesn't help). But they also say they don't know if the source was in the field or during processing. But how could the E. coli get into the spinach during processing (rather than on it).

I heard that a 10 count of the bacteria could be enough to infect you. So if bacteria got on the spinach during processing, rather than in the spinach, you might wash most off, but odds are you could never wash it all off.

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A college buddy of mine runs a business in NJ growing gourmet salad greens hydrophonically (sp?). With spinach out of the picture, he reports business is booming.
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It's funny, all the news I've seen has made a big deal of the idea that the E. coli is in the spinach, along with graphics showing it traveling in the water and into the interior of the plant.

But I think the 10-count business is just as plausible as to why you can't just wash it.
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There are some conflicting reports out there. DW nixed a green salad (no spinach) last night because she had seen a report that other packaged salads were now suspect. Today she heard a report saying that it was just spinach, but that the source of contamination was ground water while at almost the same time I read a story that the grower claimed that their crop had been found to be clear of e coli and they were looking at the processing facility as a source. For dinner last night I had to resort to chopped cucumbers and peppers.
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I have eaten some bagged salads that have sent me to the toilet. :P* I do like steam broccoli and raw carrots. I'll stick with those 2 for a while.*
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As of today's L.A. Times, Federal and state officials say no specific source of contamination has been identified. "Testing will begin this week in Calif. fields that may have produced the tainted spinach, based on bar codes on the packaging." So I don't think any grower can say they have been cleared yet.
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I recommend a lovely tomato and mild white onion salad, dressed with black pepper, kosher salt, fresh squeezed lime juice, and a bit of good olive oil. Zesty!

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And they could saw a roll of tp in half...
Dang, it looks like I'll have to go back to my old liquid diet: Beer w/ a chaser of Ensure.

Or I could buy one of those old stamp machines, saw the tp roll into one inch wide rolls, load it, put it on the bathroom wall, and give DW some dimes and nickels. Or she could find her own coins. Ooh-ooh, this could be a money maker for me--pay tp.
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"I'm strong to finish, cuz I eats my spinich, I'm Popeye the sailor man..toot, toot."

DW and I have been enjoying fresh spinich in saland and occasionally just boiled with a little butter and parmo-cheeze sprinkled on top for quite a while. We're back to lettuce salads now as we really do not like **** in the salad.

Hey, but that's us. 8)
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They are reporting around 100 people infected by this (and do they really know, or are they counting everyone with e coli who's eaten salad?), with a couple million pounds sold every day, so maybe 20-60 million sold during the time they are talking about. I think you're odds are reasonably good.
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Ahoy, I've figured out how not t' get sick from eatin' spinach.

Wash it down with a bottle o'rum. *Aye, that will keep you from dyin'
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I want my spinach.* I hate lettuce.* All my salads are spinach salads.* How will I live.*
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Too late for this year. All my crops are done. Need to wait for May.
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Throw the spinach out, we did. One of my work buddies got E Coli once. You don't really know what it's like until you (or someone you know) gets it. Its so uncommon that it scares the ... well, scares the sh!t out of you (Pun intended) - when you actually see someone with it.

It got him less than 24 hrs. after ingestion, IIRC. He came to work the first day. Went to the bathroom 10-15 times per hour. Made it two hours, then went to the doctor.

They said "good thing he was young and healthy". It was traced to a truck that broke down and the meat spoiled. He bought it from someone that came to his door. You'd think that'd ring a bell (no pun intended). Door to door meat sales? Hello? He got his money refunded and medical co-pays refunded by the meat co.

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Too late for this year. All my crops are done.* Need to wait for May.* *
I start planting spinach and other lettuces every year in October. Most years it grows all winter long, covered with a sheet when it gets to freezing a few times overnight. Can't grow it in summer.
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"Farmers do what are called 'speed-ups,' where they push workers to work faster and harder," said Marc Grossman, spokesman for the United Farm Workers union. "Sometimes the workers feel under pressure to get that day's job done and don't take their bathroom breaks, especially if the facilities are far away from where they're working."

If they can't take their bathroom breaks, and they have to go . . . guess where?*
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Next, will be cantalopes and prunes!

Are Grape Nuts safe?
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This whole thing has turned me off bagged salads of any type. I am going to grow my own lettuce and spinach next year, but I agree, Martha, it could be a long winter.

We have been eating sliced tomatos from the garden instead of salad. Adding a cuke, avacado, carrots.... probably healthier than lettuce anyway.

I do feel a little sorry for the lettuce growers.
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