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Old 11-20-2012, 07:21 AM   #1
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Streaming media- General discussion

What do you see as the future of Streaming Media?
Since this may mean different things to different people, I would suggest Wikipedia as a baseline for discussion.
Streaming media - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some possible subjects:

-How much do you use media streaming... on your Computer, TV, Phone, Tablet or Media Player ala Roku? How much "live" how much "on demand".

- The future... will this change the face of Television within five years? Can TV survive?

- What will the business model be? Can hundreds of Television Companies survive, either as standalone streaming, or without provider "bundles".

- Will Streaming media change the social structure of the country. Ie. watching on an individual basis versus the family room. Will 24/7 "anywhere" access change the "out of the home" society? Has this already happened? Can it get worse?

-What is missing today that prevents you from cancelling your TV wired or satellite service.

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I just spent a few hours looking at the options that are available on my Sony Media player. Except for the ponderously slow access that comes from using the remote to search and select, there appears to be little difference from contract TV except for the live streaming content. My feeling is that content providers may eventually find their profitability more challenged, much in the way that newspapers and books have been affected by advancing technology.

...but your mileage may vary...





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Old 11-20-2012, 09:32 AM   #2
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I use streaming media - sometimes it's fine, but mostly I HATE it.

For TV shows, movies - I would much rather set up my computer to download them at night, so I don't use my bandwidth during prime time. If DW and I are both streaming, a VOIP phone call can get choppy.

Mostly, streaming is a copyright issue - the movie owners do not want you to be able to DL it, they feel more secure if you only have 10 seconds or so of the movie 'in your possession' at a time.

For little news segments and so forth, it's fine, probably preferred for that as you can start watching before it is all DL'd.

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-What is missing today that prevents you from cancelling your TV wired or satellite service.
I cancelled in the 80's after just a few years. We use OTA and Netflix. When I see cable now at a friends, with all the commercials and promo interuptions, I can't believe people pay for that! It was pretty much commercial-free in the 80's - and it still was not a big attraction for me.

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Old 11-20-2012, 09:48 AM   #3
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I do a fair amount of streaming media. Netflix, Cnet and various other sites. I have my projection set connected via WD Live and my living room via RoKu.
My wife and are are already split on what we watch. We have (2) Dish DVRs and watch different shows.
I have not researched cancelling Dish yet. I will reduce my plans though. I have not checked out the sports stuff that I watch for availability and cost.
I don't see that TV will go away, there will just be a different delivery as we have seen in the past. Over the air -> cable -> satellite -> streaming.

One thing that I find curious is that the cable companies are competing against themselves. Cable TV vs cheap high bandwidth streaming.

Streaming does have some glitches. I have a 20mbps internet extreme connection with Time Warner. Fairly often, it stops for buffering. Once it stops, it keeps happening requiring a reboot. Based on the web forums, not may people have this issue, but no one can sovle mine. Time Warner tech support is less then useless.
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I use streaming media - sometimes it's fine, but mostly I HATE it.

For TV shows, movies - I would much rather set up my computer to download them at night, so I don't use my bandwidth during prime time. If DW and I are both streaming, a VOIP phone call can get choppy.

Mostly, streaming is a copyright issue - the movie owners do not want you to be able to DL it, they feel more secure if you only have 10 seconds or so of the movie 'in your possession' at a time.

For little news segments and so forth, it's fine, probably preferred for that as you can start watching before it is all DL'd.

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I cancelled in the 80's after just a few years. We use OTA and Netflix. When I see cable now at a friends, with all the commercials and promo interuptions, I can't believe people pay for that! It was pretty much commercial-free in the 80's - and it still was not a big attraction for me.

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Before I was retired, I purchased a program (Replay Video Capture). I played the movie on my computer, captured the movie and transfered it to my phone or lattop to watch on flights. From what I read, you are allowed to do this for your own use, like a vcr or dvr as long as you do not give it to anyone.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:08 AM   #5
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Streaming is the future of TV: watch shows when you want, not when someone else decides to schedule them. I foresee cable channels being whittled down much like print media has. The content that will survive best via the current delivery methods are sports and news.

Streaming via paid services like Netflix is still in a commercial-free "golden era". As competition increases, streaming will become saturated with commercials too.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:56 AM   #6
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Local TV stations will go the way of local papers.
Cable TV will become indistinguishable from internet streaming. They are cable internet providers anyway. Fiber to home will eliminate most of the current bandwidth problems.
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Old 11-20-2012, 01:37 PM   #7
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I watch mostly streaming TV, the exception being Sky Sports News and the many live soccer games from the UK and Europe that are on cable. Our 30 yr old son has never had cable, and we watch the cable sports recorded from our cable TV together. It is also a good incentive for him to come over and check out the place on a regular basis during the many months we travel each year.

DW still watches lots of documentaries (recorded on the DVR) on cable, so we won't be ditching in the foreseeable future.
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I don't do streaming a lot - I do a lot of time-shifting... record shows to tivo dvr, watch them later w/out the commercials.

Streaming, in my area, tends to get a lot of buffering... which drives me nuts. My ISP is totally non-responsive since I'm not streaming through *their* settop solution. Instead I'm streaming from Amazon unbox, or amazon prime, or various websites like youtube.

I won't ditch cable in the nearterm... I like my news channels and hgtv too much. And the hubster has a weird addiction to the weather channel. Something about seeing Jim Cantore blowing sideways in a hurricane....

My job is related to all of this, although my local provider doesn't use anything I work on...

ERD50 is right - there are copyright issues. Digital Rights Management (DRM) is a driving force in streaming, cable content, etc... It's only going to get more expensive and locked down going forward.
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I don't use it at all. Well, I do listen to various short things on Youtube but that's all.

Even though I got Amazon Prime earlier this year, for the shipping advantages and free Kindle library, I haven't yet done anything with the free streaming media that comes with it.
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Wow, broad question (streaming music & videos vs streaming movies). I do a lot of streaming online and I'll bet everyone here has whether they know it or not (music, youtube, etc.). But since you asked about TV specifically, I don't yet though I also do a lot of time shifting with our DVR.

However, I'm convinced that eventually all content will be available on demand or asynchronous. The days of sitting down to watch a television show at a prescribed time are numbered, though I'm not suggesting it will happen in a year or two, it will take quite a while IMO. There will always be some real time content, like breaking news, but that'll be streamed too one day. Just as the music industy was transformed by Napster, iTunes et al, television and movies will be too (though they will fight it tooth and nail, having seen what happened to the music industry). But they will have to adapt eventually. My 2...
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I just started to use streaming (Roku box) about 3 months ago. So far I like it a lot. I hate to watch series since I don't like waiting a week for the next episode. Streaming allows me to watch at my leisure.
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I get free DVD's from the public library. I manage the hold list so I get about 2 a week. Much better than paying for streaming.
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As long as the cable channels have a stranglehold on the cable providers, forcing consumers to buy expensive packages of channels, internet streaming will never reach it's potential. This is especially true for professional sports, where one is forced to buy a package of channels, just to get the games of one team on a regional sports network. Those games should be able to be purchased on an individual basis, just as one buys a ticket to attend a game live. What if MLB required fans to purchase tickets for a movie, a concert, and two polarized political discussions, just to attend a game in person?
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My son sent us a Roku. Although it took us 3 weekends to figure it out, I now use it constantly with Netflix and Acorn TV. My husband, not so much. He still doesn't remember how to use it or On Demand or the DVR. It's not dementia, he has a very demanding job. I think he prefers to watch the Military Channel.

I've watched several series by streaming. I love it.
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We use DirecTv. They offer a new service:"Free DirecTv Everywhere", which is supposed to allow access to subscribers via media player, phone, tablet, computer etc.
I can't get it to work on my older computers... Some kind of a Java/Adobe Flash/Chrome conflict. I expected it to be live access, from the advertising, but it's on demand streaming, with a not-so-good (IMHO) interface. The first movie clicked on had a $4.95 tag on it... so much for "free" . I won't use it anyway, so no big thing, but thought it interesting, even though it's not what I expected.

I still have visions of people walking around... Everywhere... locked in to a 24/7 assault on their gray matter. Could there be such a thing as a "Virtual Person"?

Will there be a change to society as we know it? Am thinking of the difference beginning with kids... playing outside, and free play instead of "play dates" and organized sports... just for starters... and sitting around the TV in the living room with family members. Will we all be in our separate rooms/places, watching our own "thing".

Not that it will necessarily be bad, because the capacity of the human brain has been under- utilized forever... Just trying to look ahead and guess where we'll be in 5 to 10 years. Is it the time when education could be decentralized? Will malls still be social centers? Will we still "GO" to things, or will they "COME" to us?

Dunno, not important... just asking...
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I still have visions of people walking around... Everywhere... locked in to a 24/7 assault on their gray matter. Could there be such a thing as a "Virtual Person"?
Sheldon Cooper created a virtual presence device...

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I haven't paid for TV for over 30 years (cable, dish, etc.) but recently started using Netflix streaming using Roku and Netgear streaming devices and love it. It's cheap and I never run out of things to watch. I only have a DSL internet connection of 1.5 Mbps and I always thought that would be too slow but to my surprise I actually get a pretty good picture. It's not 1080p, but it's as good as playing a non blu-ray DVD. I used to get many DVD's from the library but the convenience of this is so much better...and the best part, it's pretty inexpensive.
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I still have visions of people walking around... Everywhere... locked in to a 24/7 assault on their gray matter. Could there be such a thing as a "Virtual Person"?
I've often wondered if we will soon be able to install a chip in our brain to let us call people by saying "call Paul" like you would to Siri. You could be right.
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I've often wondered if we will soon be able to install a chip in our brain to let us call people by saying "call Paul" like you would to Siri. You could be right.
The precursor to that is actively in development as you may know...

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No, I didn't know, but am not surprised. Wow!
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