Join Early Retirement Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 06-10-2010, 11:34 AM   #81
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 3,871
Quote:
Originally Posted by zedd View Post
Annual employee surveys. A third-party comes up with 20 questions relevant to all but the actual worker bees. The results are compiled and lo and behold without fail lack of leadership and failure to communicate vision float to the top of the list as serious problem areas. So what does management do? They assemble a committee of worker bees to study the problem, non of whom have the authority to change anything.
When I was working, I always got a chuckle out of these. They were not given out every year, thankfully, but they often asked the wrong questions (and often the same useless questions from year to year).

Then, we would get some booklet which contained a nice presentation of a summary of the results which did nothing more than kill some trees. At least some of that stuff got delivered electronically after a while. Or, we would get dragged from our desks in the middle of the workday to be given a glitzy presentation (with transparenceis/slides) about the results. Another waste of time.
__________________

__________________
scrabbler1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 Early Retirement and Financial Independence Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

Are you planning to be financially independent as early as possible so you can live life on your own terms? Discuss successful investing strategies, asset allocation models, tax strategies and other related topics in our online forum community. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. No matter where you fit in you'll find that Early-Retirement.org is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with our members, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create a retirement blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 06-10-2010, 12:33 PM   #82
Moderator Emeritus
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,929
Quote:
Originally Posted by Khan View Post
Outsourcing your mission statement.


You've gotta wonder what sort of workplace has a mission statement like this:
Quote:
"To satisfy our customers' desires for personal entertainment and information through total customer satisfaction"
Then there's the Buzzword Bingo statement:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Found in a municipal water department
It is our mission to dramatically initiate performance based opportunities as well as to proactively leverage existing quality leadership skills to meet our customer's needs.
I can only hope this was a joke...
__________________

__________________
M Paquette is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 04:19 PM   #83
Full time employment: Posting here.
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 886
Quote:
Originally Posted by thinker25 View Post
It was a 10 minute walk to the location. In a huge building, there is no way to walk faster than that... No computer system works all the time, perfectly.
Proper system design includes response time. You don't put the nurses or the crash cart 10 minutes from the patients. The mission drives the system design, not the other way around.
__________________
Emeritus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 04:55 PM   #84
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
ls99's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 4,792
M Paquette
You've gotta wonder what sort of workplace has a mission statement like this:
Quote:
"To satisfy our customers' desires for personal entertainment and information through total customer satisfaction"

The happy hooker's?
__________________
There must be moderation in everything, including moderation.
ls99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 05:10 PM   #85
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 13,284
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keim View Post
Had a boss that would call and ask how many new recruits he could expect. If the number wasn't what he wanted to hear he'd say "You know, Keim, a goal should be achievable, but it should make you stretch. I think you can recruit more this week. Stretch. I'm going to call you in about an hour, and I expect you to tell me that you can recruit X number of people this week." This happened weekly, so we soon learned to give him inflated production estimates. Then he'd wonder why the projections he gave his boss were never accurate. When he moved on the new guy couldn't believe how rosy our estimates were. He got burned once by believing them, and reporting them to his boss. After that, he talked with us about giving ACCURATE projections.

I remember having a boss who had moved to another section... it was annual budget time... they wanted a 'stretch' budget.. she actually thought she could achieve a 60% growth in revenue with only a 20% growth in expense... after submitting it... and it getting 'updated' from upper management... her new goal was a 120% increase with a 10% cut in expenses... and they expected the cuts right away...

I remember being in her office when she submitted the monthly variance... her comment on why she did not achieve the income targets was 'these are you stupid numbers, you get them'... she was gone in about another year...
__________________
Texas Proud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 06:05 PM   #86
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
brewer12345's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 16,391
I have another one, fresh from the rectum of my employer: "we do not care how much value you add or how far above your supposed peers you might be. You will not be put up for promotion or even a decent raise until you have been here for X years. No, we will not tell you what X is."

So long guys. I have had enough.
__________________
"There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."



- Will Rogers
brewer12345 is offline   Reply With Quote
Best Job I Ever Had
Old 06-10-2010, 06:05 PM   #87
Full time employment: Posting here.
MikeD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Leesburg, VA
Posts: 805
Best Job I Ever Had

at least in terms of employee satisfaction: I had a boss with the same sense of humor I had. In all seriousness, when I asked him what he expected of me on my first day, he replied "Just don't get caught f'ing off. I will get in trouble. Other than that I don't care what you do." And he meant it. I was in my last year of college at the time and did all my homework assignments at work. As long as I was responsible and answered my phone or voice-mail in a timely fashion I was OK. Got all A's that year. What a great boss. Did I mention that it was a gov't contractor job?

Mike D.
__________________
I just want to celebrate another day of livin'
I just want to celebrate another day of life

- R. Earth
MikeD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 06:44 PM   #88
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Houston
Posts: 1,435
Situation: My boss reports to the department head. I am a full-time employee and we're getting a summer intern (who reports to my boss).

Boss: The dept. head is reviewing the list of projects for the intern. Once he's selected the project for the intern, you'll handle the rest of the list.
Me: So basically you're telling me that I'm going to work on the projects that weren't important enough for the summer intern?
Boss: Well, your projects will take longer...

Classic.
__________________
soupcxan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 09:11 PM   #89
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
brewer12345's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 16,391
Quote:
Originally Posted by soupcxan View Post
Situation: My boss reports to the department head. I am a full-time employee and we're getting a summer intern (who reports to my boss).

Boss: The dept. head is reviewing the list of projects for the intern. Once he's selected the project for the intern, you'll handle the rest of the list.
Me: So basically you're telling me that I'm going to work on the projects that weren't important enough for the summer intern?
Boss: Well, your projects will take longer...

Classic.

Translation: you are stuck here so we can kick you longer and harder than we can kick an intern.
__________________
"There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."



- Will Rogers
brewer12345 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 10:02 PM   #90
gone traveling
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 3,864
Quote:
Originally Posted by brewer12345 View Post
I have another one, fresh from the rectum of my employer: "we do not care how much value you add or how far above your supposed peers you might be. You will not be put up for promotion or even a decent raise until you have been here for X years. No, we will not tell you what X is."

So long guys. I have had enough.
Not that unusual. Sounds like they are weeding out the short-timers to me, and rewarding experience and commitment.
__________________
Westernskies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2010, 11:46 PM   #91
Moderator Emeritus
Nords's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Oahu
Posts: 26,619
Things you really didn't want to know: remedial training of people responsible for launching nuclear missiles.

Back in 1985, at the height of the Cold War, our ballistic missile submarine went out for a 90-day patrol with a couple of extra crew: a command-selected post-XO commander (O-5) and a weapons lieutenant (O-3) who was senior to our Weapons Officer. This was unusual, but no one felt that this situation was worth explaining to my O-2ness.

A few days later even I was aware that things were not good. It turned out that the Navy was really really short on submariners in that decade and couldn't "afford" to lose any of them. The O-5 had more or less failed the submarine force's command qualification course. Rather than send him to a training command dead-end staff job for the rest of his career, he'd been assigned a remedial deterrent patrol. When If he satisfactorily completed it then he'd be considered "passed" and would proceed on to take command of another boomer.

The O-3 was in a similar "fail" situation with his own Weapons Officer qualification. (Those pesky safety rule are so hard to remember.) It was felt that 90 days of tutelage under the beneficent supervision of our easy-going chain-smoking mustang Weps, "Mad Dog", would be enough to turn around even the most hopeless cases.

By about Day 10 it was clear that we were in for a very long patrol. Those two didn't get any better, but the rest of us certainly learned a lot.

The recommendations that our CO wrote on them were emphatic enough to persuade BUPERS to cancel the entire "remedial" program.

Quote:
Originally Posted by brewer12345 View Post
Translation: you are stuck here so we can kick you longer and harder than we can kick an intern.
... whom we will later hire and make your boss, so that you can train him on his new responsibilities.

Brewer, it's clear that Wall Street needs you back. And now you have even more of what they need.
__________________
*
*

The book written on E-R.org, "The Military Guide to Financial Independence and Retirement", on sale now! For more info see "About Me" in my profile.
I don't spend much time here anymore, so please send me a PM. Thanks.
Nords is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2010, 06:55 AM   #92
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
brewer12345's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 16,391
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nords View Post
Brewer, it's clear that Wall Street needs you back. And now you have even more of what they need.
At this point, I am so mad I am tempted to take my newfound skills and sell them to the highest bidder who wants an employee that will help them play rope-a-dope with the oxygen-wasting bureaucrats who attempt to enforce regulations in between bouts of drooling.
__________________
"There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."



- Will Rogers
brewer12345 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2010, 07:00 AM   #93
Full time employment: Posting here.
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 886
Quote:
Originally Posted by brewer12345 View Post
At this point, I am so mad I am tempted to take my newfound skills and sell them to the highest bidder who wants an employee that will help them play rope-a-dope with the oxygen-wasting bureaucrats who attempt to enforce regulations in between bouts of drooling.
It's interesting how people think we can get good regulatory talent in the USA with low pay, overwork, political abuse, crappy working conditions and minimal technical support.
__________________
Emeritus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2010, 07:41 AM   #94
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
brewer12345's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 16,391
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emeritus View Post
It's interesting how people think we can get good regulatory talent in the USA with low pay, overwork, political abuse, crappy working conditions and minimal technical support.
Don't forget conservative political commentators screeching about gubmint workers making more than the average US worker. Hey morons, most gubmint workers put up with tons of crap and generally are required to have a college degree or better to get the job. And, oh yeah: most could make a lot more in the private sector.
__________________
"There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."



- Will Rogers
brewer12345 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2010, 08:37 AM   #95
Full time employment: Posting here.
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 886
Quote:
Originally Posted by brewer12345 View Post
Don't forget conservative political commentators screeching about gubmint workers making more than the average US worker. Hey morons, most gubmint workers put up with tons of crap and generally are required to have a college degree or better to get the job. And, oh yeah: most could make a lot more in the private sector.
you forgot the pressure to contract out essential services to politically well connected corporations.
__________________
Emeritus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2010, 08:42 AM   #96
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Houston
Posts: 1,435
Quote:
Originally Posted by brewer12345 View Post
Don't forget conservative political commentators screeching about gubmint workers making more than the average US worker. Hey morons, most gubmint workers put up with tons of crap and generally are required to have a college degree or better to get the job. And, oh yeah: most could make a lot more in the private sector.
You don't think private sector employees put up with tons of crap and need to have a college degree (or better)? And when was the last time you saw a private sector worker with the job security and gold plated pension benefits that come with a government job? Granted the feds have cut back their pension benefits, but the states' programs are way more generous than you will find in any company.

I have yet to read about a private sector worker taking a ton of overtime his last year at work and then spiking his pension for the next +30 years, or "retiring" so he can start drawing his pension but remaining in the same position, thus getting salary+pension simultaneously. There have been several articles about these practices by government employees recently.
__________________
soupcxan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2010, 08:50 AM   #97
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
brewer12345's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 16,391
Quote:
Originally Posted by soupcxan View Post
You don't think private sector employees put up with tons of crap and need to have a college degree (or better)? And when was the last time you saw a private sector worker with the job security and gold plated pension benefits that come with a government job? Granted the feds have cut back their pension benefits, but the states' programs are way more generous than you will find in any company.

I have yet to read about a private sector worker taking a ton of overtime his last year at work and then spiking his pension for the next +30 years, or "retiring" so he can start drawing his pension but remaining in the same position, thus getting salary+pension simultaneously. There have been several articles about these practices by government employees recently.
I have been in the private sector for virtually my entire career and am quite familiar with the game. Most private sector jobs do not require college degrees. If they did, we would have a massive labor shortgae given that only a quarter or so of the US population has such a degree.

Personally, I'd love a gold-plated anything. Never seen it. Obviously the pension schemes in place for many public sector (thinking especiall;y state and municpal) workers are egregious. Clearly they are going teh way of the dodo.
__________________
"There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."



- Will Rogers
brewer12345 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2010, 08:53 AM   #98
Full time employment: Posting here.
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 886
The people are you describe are not regulators. I train engineers to be regulators. Virtually none get overtime at either federal or state levels. Their starting salaries are about 20% below industry equivalents.

I was a civil servant for 32 years. Not a dollar of overtime.
__________________
Emeritus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2010, 09:41 AM   #99
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 13,284
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emeritus View Post
The people are you describe are not regulators. I train engineers to be regulators. Virtually none get overtime at either federal or state levels. Their starting salaries are about 20% below industry equivalents.

I was a civil servant for 32 years. Not a dollar of overtime.

I think there are a lot of gvmt workers who do not get overtime... and they work 8 to 5 or 9 to 5 (in NY)...

But there are enough that do get overtime... police and fire... there were a lot of NYC police that retired a year after 9-11 because of all the overtime they got that year... if they waited to retire, they lost a lot in their pension... (not specific knowledge... just reading about it in the news)...

And then you can do 'other things'... if you are a teacher... work summer school... go to training that pays you... etc. etc.. not really overtime, but extra work that last year or two to boost the pension...
__________________
Texas Proud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2010, 10:48 AM   #100
gone traveling
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 3,864
Quote:
Originally Posted by soupcxan View Post
You don't think private sector employees put up with tons of crap and need to have a college degree (or better)? And when was the last time you saw a private sector worker with the job security and gold plated pension benefits that come with a government job? Granted the feds have cut back their pension benefits, but the states' programs are way more generous than you will find in any company.

I have yet to read about a private sector worker taking a ton of overtime his last year at work and then spiking his pension for the next +30 years, or "retiring" so he can start drawing his pension but remaining in the same position, thus getting salary+pension simultaneously. There have been several articles about these practices by government employees recently.

Here's a recent public pension scam that cost the taxpayers of Scottsdale, AZ $2.5 million...a little last minute rule change by the same folks who would benefit the most from it.
azcentral.com blogs - Laurie Roberts' Columns & Blog - LaurieRoberts - Scottsdale parachutes not just golden
__________________

__________________
Westernskies is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
LTD insurance companies Lusitan FIRE and Money 21 11-19-2009 12:36 PM
Uruguayan companies? Art G Stock Picking and Market Strategy 0 11-07-2007 04:05 PM
Frugal-yet-fun vacation ideas: need ideas from vagabonds OKLibrarian Other topics 23 04-12-2007 09:16 AM
Insurance companies! cute fuzzy bunny Other topics 23 03-28-2006 03:37 PM
Tanker Companies macdaddy FIRE and Money 8 03-28-2006 11:27 AM

 

 
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:50 PM.
 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.