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Old 01-29-2010, 04:27 PM   #61
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It's GORGEOUS, not one bit boring!! I love it. The Camry is a terrific car, and I am so happy for you. Did you get the V-6, or the 4 cylinder?
Thank you very much. I got the 4 cylinder engine. I found it surprising peppy and it is much more gas efficient than the V-6.

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Just this minute I got back from taking my new Venza out in torrential rain. At first it was awful to see those drops of water falling on its lovely shiny finish.
Quick, dry her up with a shammy!
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Old 01-29-2010, 04:32 PM   #62
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Thank you very much. I got the 4 cylinder engine. I found it surprising peppy and it is much more gas efficient than the V-6.
My Solara was a 4-cylinder and the gas mileage was phenomenal! By my computations I routinely got 33-35 mpg even though the rated mileage is much lower. I got higher mileage than that when I tried. Also, I never wanted or needed any more power than the 4 cylinder provided.

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Won't do any good, because I don't have a garage. It is sitting in my driveway presently getting its first carwash courtesy of Mother Nature. Guess it had to happen sometime. At this moment, the rains are torrential again so I am glad my driveway is several feet higher than the street.
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A key is not really even a key today, at least in my 07 Acura Tl. When you turn the key to start it sends a signal to the engine computer and the car then starts. All you have to do is jog the key and the computer takes over,this is not like the old days when you could jog the engine by turning the key. There is just too much computer control and electronic nannies on cars today, with all the complexity something is bound to go wrong with these systems. Also not sure about all the fly by wire on airplanes, as we saw with the faulty data sent to the flight computers from the pitot tubes an Airbus crashed, this was last year.
As far as pushbutton start, this is a waste, and on the Toyotas and perhaps others you have to hold the button in for 3 seconds to shut off the engine at speed, sounds dangerous to me. I will have to try this on the Acura at speed just to see if I can shut it off, I have tested going to neutral at speed and it works. My dad had pushbutton start on a 1952 dodge truck, we also had pushbutton transmission on my 57 Plymouth Fury.
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I am glad you are enjoying your new car so much W2R! Here is the picture of my new Camry:



I know people think they are boring but I am all giddy with excitement!

Very nice car ! Congratulations ! I love my Solara which is basically a sporty camry . It has been the best car I ever owned .
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Very nice car ! Congratulations ! I love my Solara which is basically a sporty camry . It has been the best car I ever owned .
Thanks Moemg. This is my first Toyota ever. I hope I didn't jinx the brand!
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W2R,

Didn't Toyota add the Venza to the recall list yesterday? I thought it was on the list of additions. You might check.

I am still driving my 2005 Avalon. We have not had a bit of trouble from it in almost five years. I know that Toyota will have a fix for the problem soon. I have faith in them to fix it correctly, too.

The new Camry looks beautiful! I might have to go for one of those in a couple of years. Hubby and I have the Avalon and a 2007 Yaris, so we are a Toyota family.



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Didn't Toyota add the Venza to the recall list yesterday? I thought it was on the list of additions. You might check.
From this Yahoo article updated an hour ago,

Toyota sends new gas pedals to plants, not dealers - Yahoo! News-
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The recall in the U.S. covers 2.3 million vehicles and involves the 2009-10 RAV4 crossover, the 2009-10 Corolla, the 2009-10 Matrix hatchback, the 2005-10 Avalon, the 2007-10 Camry, the 2010 Highlander crossover, the 2007-10 Tundra pickup and the 2008-10 Sequoia SUV. The recall has been expanded to models in Europe and China.
So, I guess not. But I appreciate the heads up in case it was.

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I am still driving my 2005 Avalon. We have not had a bit of trouble from it in almost five years. I know that Toyota will have a fix for the problem soon. I have faith in them to fix it correctly, too.

The new Camry looks beautiful! I might have to go for one of those in a couple of years. Hubby and I have the Avalon and a 2007 Yaris, so we are a Toyota family.
I think the new Camry looks fantastic. I am so happy with my new Toyota Venza, and I am happy with the way Toyota conducts business.
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Unfortunately Cruising Thru is right .Sorry !
Toyota Adds Cars to List of Recalled Vehicles - The World Newser
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Toyota Adds Cars to List of Recalled Vehicles - The World Newser
Thanks!

I went to the Toyota website and although the Venza is not listed among those with sticky pedals (at least as of this afternoon's news releases), the Venza was recently put on the list of affected cars with rumpling floormats
http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/t...spx?ncid=11092

I looked at the floormat (after having ten years of trouble with the Solara floormat), and it is tightly anchored down and can't possible move or rumple or interfere with the pedal. It is an aftermarket floormat system (cost me $$$ extra, which doesn't bother me so much now as yesterday! ) so anyway, probably my car is not among those affected by the recall.

Thanks and I'll keep an eye on the Toyota website to see if the Venza is added to the sticky pedal recall. But so far they haven't posted it yet in their press releases.
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I do not own a Toyota. However, I feel they will get this fixed and with the reduced pricing they will certainly offer in the coming months. Id look at them if I was wanting a new vehicle.
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I do not own a Toyota. However, I feel they will get this fixed and with the reduced pricing they will certainly offer in the coming months. Id look at them if I was wanting a new vehicle.
Ditto.
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My ten year old Toyota Solara had that floor mat problem. It used to bunch up under the pedals.
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Like Moemg, I noticed that the floor mats in my Solara bunched up a lot.
I have not owned a Toyota, though I am sure that they are fine vehicles. But why is the floor mat such a big deal? We have had a few Nissans and domestic cars, and they have a little hook under the seat that goes into a grommeted hole at the right rear corner of the floor mat. The hook keeps the mat from sliding forward to interfere with the pedals. Problem solved for $0.15. Why is it so tough?
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I have not owned a Toyota, though I am sure that they are fine vehicles. But why is the floor mat such a big deal? We have had a few Nissans and domestic cars, and they have a little hook under the seat that goes into a grommeted hole at the right rear corner of the floor mat. The hook keeps the mat from sliding forward to interfere with the pedals. Problem solved for $0.15. Why is it so tough?
I have floor mat hooks too in my Camry, but since it is new perhaps they had already fixed the mat problem on that model?

I had problems with floor mats bunching up under my gas pedal with my VW and, more than a few times, my foot even got stuck behind the dashboard panel while accelerating to the point where I couldn't lift my foot from the gas pedal. I had to wiggle my foot out in order to be able to decelerate. I usually learn how to live with such minor annoyances without making a fuss about it though. On my VW, the trunk latch remained broken for 6 years before I finally decided to replace it. I found I could still latch the trunk by wiggling the mechanism just so and that was good enough for me until that wiggle didn't do the trick anymore.

Edit: I read on Bloomberg yesterday that 19 people have died because of Toyota's gas pedal problems and that's over the past 10 years. In other words, you have a better chance to get killed crossing the street than driving a Toyota. Yet the gas pedal problem is all over the news (as if Toyotas were running out of control left and right), congress is investigating (led by who else but congressman Bart Stupak from Michigan, home of the American car industry), and the government (the de facto owner of GM) forced Toyota to stop selling cars... Meanwhile, close to 400,000 people have died on American roads in the past 10 years because of people who drive recklessly (more than 1/4 of the deaths are related to drunk driving) and nobody seems to give a hoot. So the media and government's outrage over this sounds more than a little hollow to me. They should start focusing on the big picture.
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But why is the floor mat such a big deal?
'Cause when the mat is not anchored poperly by the driver's seat end, it slides forward, bunches up, and can prevent the gas pedal from returning to the idle position.

They have two separate recalls, one for floor mats, one for sticking pedals.

I follow the issues out of curiosity, do not own the type vehicles in thes cases.
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'Cause when the mat is not anchored poperly by the driver's seat end, it slides forward, bunches up, and can prevent the gas pedal from returning to the idle position...
My point is that some cars provide no means of anchoring the floor mat. An ignorant car owner may of course not replace the floor mat properly after vacuuming, for example, but that would be a different problem.
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I have not owned a Toyota, though I am sure that they are fine vehicles. But why is the floor mat such a big deal? We have had a few Nissans and domestic cars, and they have a little hook under the seat that goes into a grommeted hole at the right rear corner of the floor mat. The hook keeps the mat from sliding forward to interfere with the pedals. Problem solved for $0.15. Why is it so tough?

There is nothing that holds these floor mats . I spent so much time trying to straighten them out that I finally just got rid of it . A few times it would get stuck under the pedals and you would have to reach down and pull it as driving . Otherwise my Solara has been the best car I ever had . It's almost eleven years (96,000 miles)old with only a few repairs ( brakes ,water pump , starter and power window repair ) but it's starting to show it's age . My Mom has mentioned that I need a new car but I tell her just because she's old we don't toss her away just patch her up .
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There is nothing that holds these floor mats. I spent so much time trying to straighten them out that I finally just got rid of it.
I just went to the garage to check. Yes, both my 95 Nissan minivan and a newer 04 Nissan SUV have restraining hooks for the floor mat.

What looks like a simple boo boo ends up costing Toyota a great deal in terms of recalls, bad publicity and lost sales.

Still, for existing Toyota owners, can't you add a restraining wire yourself? I would if I had such a problem.

Many years ago, I had a 75 Datsun 280Z. Its gas cap had a retainer chain, so that an absent-minded driver like myself would not lose the cap if he forgot to replace it after refueling. It took many years before that retainer chain or strap became a standard in all cars.
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Still, for existing Toyota owners, can't you add a restraining wire yourself? I would if I had such a problem.

The thing that is annoying is these floor mats were extra so most Toyota customers have paid a few hundred dollars for mats they say to just discard . How about sending a rebate check equal to the amount or even a few coupons for oil changes . No , just discard your $250 mats and Toyota is good to go .
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I don't really understand the problem with Toyota floor mats "bunching up" if they are not restrained.

I've driven, owned, and maintained cars and trucks for 40 years. I've never had trouble with floormats wanting to drive the vehicle. And in all those years, I have had only two vehicles that had the floor mats restrained by a hook, and that second one was a 2010 purchased new recently.

Of the used ones I/we bought, a few did not have floor mats with them anymore, just bought some decent aftermarket ones, no problems with them either.

So what is it about Toyota? Do they really make you pay hundreds extra to get a set of "100% factory authentic Toyota floormats" which are thin crappy POS that have no longitudinal stiffness when lying down and accordion into a bumpy mess?

Or does Toyota have some unique floor pan design that they use that seems to bedevil floor mats?
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Edit: I read on Bloomberg yesterday that 19 people have died because of Toyota's gas pedal problems and that's over the past 10 years. In other words, you have a better chance to get killed crossing the street than driving a Toyota. Yet the gas pedal problem is all over the news (as if Toyotas were running out of control left and right), congress is investigating (led by who else but congressman Bart Stupak from Michigan, home of the American car industry), and the government (the de facto owner of GM) forced Toyota to stop selling cars... Meanwhile, close to 400,000 people have died on American roads in the past 10 years because of people who drive recklessly (more than 1/4 of the deaths are related to drunk driving) and nobody seems to give a hoot. So the media and government's outrage over this sounds more than a little hollow to me. They should start focusing on the big picture.
Good analysis, but there are other ways to look at the stats. Like that the number of incidents of unintended acceleration for Toyota products is more than double those reported for all other manufacturers combined. That seems to be a stat that Toyota should have picked up on before NHTSA came along and took action. I read a citation of federal law the other day that indicated that neither NHTSA nor Toyota had any choice in the matter once the recall was initiated - they couldn't sell those cars until they were fixed.

As for fatalities caused by intoxicated drivers, I'm not sure that is something that can be fixed. It's expensive to replace all those accelerator pedals and linkages and what not, but it's doable and a certain fix. How do we go about fixing the human propensity to do stupid things like drinking and then driving?

But there has been progress on that front. We've added 35 Million people to the population in the last ten years, about 20 Million more licensed drivers, and more than 50 Million additional vehicles on the roadway - but the annual number of fatalities from vehicle wrecks is down as are the fatalities per capita, per licensed driver and per registered vehicles (20%, 11% and 19%). Intoxicated driver caused fatalities went down 10% in one year (2007-2008) alone.

Besides, it's easier for politicians to point at a big evil corporation than to point at their constituents and tell them to stop being stupid. The constituents have a lot more votes.
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