TB Yes this is a problem.

newguy88 · 05-30-2007, 10:07 AM

Man knew he had TB before flying to Europe - CNN.com

This guy is one selfish moron.

**Rich_in_Tampa** · 05-30-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by newguy888

Man knew he had TB before flying to Europe - CNN.com

This guy is one selfish moron.

Yup. That's why they quarantined him with an armed guard.

Remember Polio? Signs in the windows of houses; empty beaches all summer since no one wanted to "take a chance."

SamHouston · 05-30-2007, 10:53 AM

This is another reason that I no longer fly.

I used to fly monthly from Africa to Houston, via London, the last leg being a ten or eleven hour non-stop flight. I can recall at least three occasions where I was seated (in Continental Business First seating) within a few feet of someone who was obviously ill with flu-like symptoms or worse. On all three occasions I was sick at home within a couple of days of having arrived in Houston.

Am I correct in assuming that the air in a commercial airliner is recycled throughout the plane via all those individual little air ducts? If so, I would think that ten hours of exposure, no matter where they were seated relative to the TB fool, would place everyone at risk.

**bssc** · 05-30-2007, 12:19 PM

There is another guy in the Maricopa County jail who is locked up until his TB treatment is over since he would not comply otherwise.

When I worked in a hospital, we got tested for TB annually since there was a concerned that we would get exposed to people with TB who stopped taking their medicine since they "felt better"

Achiever51 · 05-30-2007, 12:47 PM

The FAA maintains there is no cabin air quality problem. Currently, the FAA has no minimum ventilation standards and no operating standards for air circulation. Airborne viruses, humidity levels and ozone continue to be problems on aircraft and present health problems for flight attendants and the public. These hazards are aggravated by newer aircraft which have lower levels of fresh circulated air. Presently, new model aircraft provide half fresh air and half-recirculated air that is freshened every six or seven minutes.

Yikes!

TromboneAl · 05-30-2007, 01:26 PM

The man, however, told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution that doctors didn’t order him not to fly and only suggested he put off his long-planned wedding in Greece. He knew he had a form of tuberculosis and that it was resistant to first-line drugs, but he didn’t realize until he was already in Europe that it could be so dangerous, he said.

haha · 05-30-2007, 01:27 PM

I am really an authoritarian when it comes to public health. More diseases should be reportable, including HIV, and hospitals and doctors should get severe sanctions if they fail to report. Depts. of public health should be better funded, and a field worker should see to it that every bum who is being treated for TB is really being treated.

Jail for failure to comply or playing hard to get, just like the guy in Phoenix. People get jail for things a lot less likely to cause important trouble for others.

The basic task of a society is to provide security for its members.

Ha

dex · 05-30-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by haha

I am really an authoritarian when it comes to public health. More diseases should be reportable, including HIV, and hospitals and doctors should get severe sanctions if they fail to report. Depts. of public health should be better funded, and a field worker should see to it that every bum who is being treated for TB is really being treated.

Jail for failure to comply or playing hard to get, just like the guy in Phoenix. People get jail for things a lot less likely to cause important trouble for others.

The basic task of a society is to provide security for its members.

Ha

I agree but I think you will it the wall of political correctness with this one until people are dying in the streets. All sorts of analogies will be made from segregation to German extermination camps would be made.

Imagine the affect of the Spanish Flu would have in today's world - 30 to 50 million killed when it broke out (apx 1 billion pop). Let' guess with today's population 6.7 billion how many would die. I would estimate more than the 7X that the world pop. has grown due to speed of transmission - 300 million to ? 800million; 1 billion?

**Martha** · 05-30-2007, 02:03 PM

My father went into a TB sanatorium when he was 14 years old and came out when he was 20. Back in the 1930s, when this occurred, you knew what you had to do and did it. This goes back to Fliptresses discussion of duty.

dex · 05-30-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Martha

My father went into a TB sanatorium when he was 14 years old and came out when he was 20. Back in the 1930s, when this occurred, you knew what you had to do and did it. This goes back to Fliptresses discussion of duty.

Martha,
I want to meet you someday. Or, you should write a book. I will be getting into the RV saddle in the next week or two. I feel a RV RE meeting coming on (must include copious amounts of alcohol).

**Rich_in_Tampa** · 05-30-2007, 05:34 PM

In the old days one of the procedures done to control progressive TB was to collapse the involved lung. Problem was, the body has a way of re-expanding the lung over time. So some surgeon realized he could keep the lung collapsed by packing the dead space with ping pong balls.

As a medical resident moonlighting in a county chronic care hospital/nursing home I had a patient where the ping pong balls were simply never removed. She was fine, but her chest x-ray was unbelievable: one side chewed into scar tissue by TB and the other side packed with dozens of little spheres.

Other patients had TB in their bone, intestines, skin, lymph nodes, liver, kidneys and just about everywhere else. It was a horible disease, much like widespread cancer. The along came isoniazid, streptomycin and a few others. Voila - cured if you follow the program.

calmloki · 05-30-2007, 06:05 PM

An interesting thing: I haven't heard the gentleman's name used yet, though his activities conciously put a large number of people at risk of death. This in contrast to our local paper, which reported names and employers as well as printing photos of a college professor and two teachers picked up for public indecency, a misdemeanor, in a sting at a local homosexual "hookup" public wayside park. Just find it odd that the gays get hammered and the potential Typhoid Mary character is being treated with great circumspection.

VoyT · 05-30-2007, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bssc

There is another guy in the Maricopa County jail who is locked up until his TB treatment is over since he would not comply otherwise.

I recently read about a Russian-American who is being confined to a hospital's prison ward in Arizona until his treatment is complete. Story indicated that he didn't keep up with his treatment in Russia, flew over here and had a flare-up, and wasn't too cooperative about treatment...

This guy amazes me ... you'd think he'd want to get the TB cleared up before he got married, for gosh sakes...

Telly · 05-30-2007, 11:08 PM

Heard on the news tonight that the TB guy got the test results when he was in Italy, and it was strongly recommended that he check himself into a hospital there. The US then changed his passport status, and he was also put on the no-fly list.

I guess that explains his unusual return trip. He flew from Europe to Montreal (by avoiding flying to the US, he didn't trigger no-fly). Then he drove from Montreal into the US (again avoiding triggering no-fly, and no passport needed for non-air travel into US from Canada). But they missed him in Customs by a name-only check, I guess.

cute fuzzy bunny · 05-31-2007, 07:56 AM

TB on a plane.

I guess Sam Jackson has a new idea for a sequel.

HFWR · 05-31-2007, 11:09 AM

On a news program last night, they opined that, chances are, no one would be infected, sonce he was asymptomatic.

They also noted he has a version of TB that is called "x-something", meaning that it was "extended treatment resistant"...

TromboneAl · 05-31-2007, 11:21 AM

The patient with the ping pong balls must have been pretty sick. Did she bounce back?

HFWR · 05-31-2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TromboneAl

The patient with the ping pong balls must have been pretty sick. Did she bounce back?

Hey T-Al, glad to see your got your name back. I was afraid I'd have to start calling you "P-Al"...

**Rich_in_Tampa** · 05-31-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TromboneAl

The patient with the ping pong balls must have been pretty sick. Did she bounce back?

The whole thing was a racket. No net change, so we tabled it.

Achiever51 · 05-31-2007, 01:09 PM

OK, now they've identified the guy with TB on the plane (one Andrew Speaker, an Atlanta attorney) and dozens of passengers who were on the trans-Atlantic flights are being tested. According to an interview on MSNBC with one of the passengers, after the tests the passengers will have to take some sort of medication for six to nine months and have repeated tests for some undetermined period to ensure that they remain TB-free. The young woman being interviewed said the CDC covered the cost of the TB tests so far, but she was unsure as to who would pay for the associated medications and future tests.

Two questions for this forum:
1. What do you think are the chances that these passengers might be tagged as having a pre-existing condition later should they apply for health insurance? and
2. Could the other passengers file suit against Mr. Speaker and/or his insurance provider to cover their expenses?

BTW, In an odd twist, Speaker's father-in-law works as a microbiologist at a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention laboratory that studies tuberculosis and other bacterial infections.

Bob Cooksey said he gave his son-in-law "fatherly advice" when he learned he had contracted the disease.

Cooksey said that had he known his

05-30-2007, 10:07 AM	#1
newguy88 Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,119	TB Yes this is a problem. Man knew he had TB before flying to Europe - CNN.com This guy is one selfish moron.

05-30-2007, 10:53 AM	#3
SamHouston Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 218	This is another reason that I no longer fly. I used to fly monthly from Africa to Houston, via London, the last leg being a ten or eleven hour non-stop flight. I can recall at least three occasions where I was seated (in Continental Business First seating) within a few feet of someone who was obviously ill with flu-like symptoms or worse. On all three occasions I was sick at home within a couple of days of having arrived in Houston. Am I correct in assuming that the air in a commercial airliner is recycled throughout the plane via all those individual little air ducts? If so, I would think that ten hours of exposure, no matter where they were seated relative to the TB fool, would place everyone at risk. __________________ "Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." - Mark Twain

05-30-2007, 01:27 PM	#7
haha Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,077	I am really an authoritarian when it comes to public health. More diseases should be reportable, including HIV, and hospitals and doctors should get severe sanctions if they fail to report. Depts. of public health should be better funded, and a field worker should see to it that every bum who is being treated for TB is really being treated. Jail for failure to comply or playing hard to get, just like the guy in Phoenix. People get jail for things a lot less likely to cause important trouble for others. The basic task of a society is to provide security for its members. Ha __________________ "Show 'em just enough to win the turkey."- Former KY Governor Bert Combs

05-30-2007, 02:03 PM	#9
Martha Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: minnesota Posts: 9,369	My father went into a TB sanatorium when he was 14 years old and came out when he was 20. Back in the 1930s, when this occurred, you knew what you had to do and did it. This goes back to Fliptresses discussion of duty. __________________ . Do not rely on the information provided--my posts are not to be taken as legal advice. Needless to say you must consult with your legal representative. I am not responsible for errors. If I offended you with cya I apologize. If I did not, I tried.

05-30-2007, 05:34 PM	#11
Rich_in_Tampa Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Tampa Posts: 5,626	In the old days one of the procedures done to control progressive TB was to collapse the involved lung. Problem was, the body has a way of re-expanding the lung over time. So some surgeon realized he could keep the lung collapsed by packing the dead space with ping pong balls. As a medical resident moonlighting in a county chronic care hospital/nursing home I had a patient where the ping pong balls were simply never removed. She was fine, but her chest x-ray was unbelievable: one side chewed into scar tissue by TB and the other side packed with dozens of little spheres. Other patients had TB in their bone, intestines, skin, lymph nodes, liver, kidneys and just about everywhere else. It was a horible disease, much like widespread cancer. The along came isoniazid, streptomycin and a few others. Voila - cured if you follow the program. __________________ Rich Tampa, FL (10% retired) As if you didn't know..If the above message happens to contain medical content, it's NOT intended as advice, and may not be accurate, applicable or sufficient. Don't rely on it for any medical purpose whatsoever. Consult your own doctor for all medical advice.

05-30-2007, 12:19 PM	#4
bssc Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,529	There is another guy in the Maricopa County jail who is locked up until his TB treatment is over since he would not comply otherwise. When I worked in a hospital, we got tested for TB annually since there was a concerned that we would get exposed to people with TB who stopped taking their medicine since they "felt better"

05-30-2007, 12:47 PM	#5
Achiever51 Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Southeastern Michigan Posts: 763	The FAA maintains there is no cabin air quality problem. Currently, the FAA has no minimum ventilation standards and no operating standards for air circulation. Airborne viruses, humidity levels and ozone continue to be problems on aircraft and present health problems for flight attendants and the public. These hazards are aggravated by newer aircraft which have lower levels of fresh circulated air. Presently, new model aircraft provide half fresh air and half-recirculated air that is freshened every six or seven minutes. Yikes!

05-30-2007, 01:26 PM	#6
TromboneAl Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,898	The man, however, told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution that doctors didn’t order him not to fly and only suggested he put off his long-planned wedding in Greece. He knew he had a form of tuberculosis and that it was resistant to first-line drugs, but he didn’t realize until he was already in Europe that it could be so dangerous, he said.

05-30-2007, 06:05 PM	#12
calmloki Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Independence Posts: 1,306	An interesting thing: I haven't heard the gentleman's name used yet, though his activities conciously put a large number of people at risk of death. This in contrast to our local paper, which reported names and employers as well as printing photos of a college professor and two teachers picked up for public indecency, a misdemeanor, in a sting at a local homosexual "hookup" public wayside park. Just find it odd that the gays get hammered and the potential Typhoid Mary character is being treated with great circumspection.

05-30-2007, 11:08 PM	#14
Telly Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 602	Heard on the news tonight that the TB guy got the test results when he was in Italy, and it was strongly recommended that he check himself into a hospital there. The US then changed his passport status, and he was also put on the no-fly list. I guess that explains his unusual return trip. He flew from Europe to Montreal (by avoiding flying to the US, he didn't trigger no-fly). Then he drove from Montreal into the US (again avoiding triggering no-fly, and no passport needed for non-air travel into US from Canada). But they missed him in Customs by a name-only check, I guess. __________________ -- Telly, the D-I-Y guy -- Two fools dancing on the hands of time

05-31-2007, 07:56 AM	#15
cute fuzzy bunny Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ... Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Losing my whump Posts: 22,540	TB on a plane. I guess Sam Jackson has a new idea for a sequel. __________________ Many an optimist has become rich by buying out a pessimist

05-31-2007, 11:09 AM	#16
HFWR Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ... Join Date: May 2005 Location: DFW Posts: 5,269	On a news program last night, they opined that, chances are, no one would be infected, sonce he was asymptomatic. They also noted he has a version of TB that is called "x-something", meaning that it was "extended treatment resistant"... __________________ Have Funds, Will Retire I will now proceed to entangle the entire area...

05-31-2007, 11:21 AM	#17
TromboneAl Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,898	The patient with the ping pong balls must have been pretty sick. Did she bounce back?