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Old 02-26-2010, 12:54 PM   #21
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Perhaps some of you will find this of interest...

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downlo...ity_Survey.pdf

American Community Survey (ACS)

Do you think they need to know about your marriage history? Your health insurance coverage? Your FERTILITY
I totally understand why people might not want to answer some of the questions, but I can see how having statistics/data about these issues and the others on the forms would be helpful in planning services for an area, and this is one way to collect it.

We get a ton of calls for research studies that pay a little for one's time (we rarely qualify)--the census folks should pay $50 for filling out that long form, to be paid when it's sent in, and I bet they'd get them all back and would save a lot of $$ not having to follow up on forms not sent in.
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Perhaps some of you will find this of interest...

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downlo...ity_Survey.pdf

American Community Survey (ACS)

Do you think they need to know about your marriage history? Your health insurance coverage? Your FERTILITY
FERTILITY caught my eye...go forward in the Questions document to page 24 and you will see it is a question about how many children were born to the female person in the last 12 months.
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Old 02-26-2010, 02:07 PM   #23
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Perhaps some of you will find this of interest...

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downlo...ity_Survey.pdf

American Community Survey (ACS)

Do you think they need to know about your marriage history? Your health insurance coverage? Your FERTILITY
Fertility seems to be a pretty important parameter for an organization whose goal is to monitor the evolution of the US population... It is certainly much more relevant to their purpose than the type of health care coverage you have, IMO.
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The govt is not a monolithic all knowing entity. The census does statistical reporting and nothing more. They can't get your IRS info. By law. Law enforcement can get hold of it but not the census.
The point is, if you don't mind greatly detailing your income and income sources to the IRS each year, why do you mind giving your gross income to the Census once in a decade? What makes the Census Bureau so much more dangerous than any other governmental organization you share information with?
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The point is, if you don't mind greatly detailing your income and income sources to the IRS each year, why do you mind giving your gross income to the Census once in a decade? What makes the Census Bureau so much more dangerous than any other governmental organization you share information with?
Truthfully, I mind very much detailing my income and resources to the IRS...however, I have no choice in that matter. Further, I don't believe the Census Bureau to be more dangerous; I just don't see why I should share personal information with them beyond how many people reside in my household.
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I got the long form once, way back when I was in college with a bunch of roomies. We had fun filling it out.

The demographic info is very helpful. This is how we know things like how many people have health insurance. Or find out that an area may be in need of services because incomes are so low. Etc. Unless we collect data we can't know the issues facing an area or the country.
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Can't they find out how many people have health insurance by getting the count directly from insurers?

And...if the demographic is so important, why doesn't EVERYONE have to fill out the long form?
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Can't they find out how many people have health insurance by getting the count directly from insurers?
I suppose theoretically you could pass a law requiring insurance companies to report how many people are insured and then count up the insurance companies and the insured and get some information of value. But the census tells us so much more. It tells you what sorts of groups are not insured. Are they making a certain amount of money? Are they young? Are they employed? How long have they been uninsured? There is a huge amount of valuable data on the issue collected by the census. We need more data not less. Too much of what we do in this country is based on opinions, not fact. The census can give us some facts.

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It is all statistics. You don't need the info from everyone, only a sample.
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I think insurers might be prohibited from providing that information to the Census under HIPAA (not sure but possible). It's probably a good thing that federal agencies aren't sharing our information and that we have to provide it separately to IRS, census, state department for passports, etc.
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I am hopeful that providing the requested information will allow the government to have accurate data regarding the characteristics of our population so they can make rational decisions on matters of public policy. It has been my experience that actions taken in the absence of accurate information are often misguided.
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Never got anything like that and never heard of it till now. Wonder who gets that?
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Every census is a complete record of our nation. A snap shot as it were, that is mandated by our founding fathers. The most recent census records available online is 1930 census. A wonderful national treasure of data and minutia.

I am prepared to supply my info, as my parents did in my first one in 1950. Wish me luck.....
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I am hopeful that providing the requested information will allow the government to have accurate data regarding the characteristics of our population so they can make rational decisions on matters of public policy. It has been my experience that actions taken in the absence of accurate information are often misguided.
I'm not sure a rational decision has come out of Washington DC in the last 20+ years.
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Here is an interesting document about historical census forms (I admit my mother worked for the CB in DC for several years so I have a soft spot for it)--not only are the data used for present day purposes, there is historical value to them. RE the first census:

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In 1790, marshals took the census in the original 13 states; plus the districts of Kentucky, Maine, and Vermont; and the Southwest Territory (Tennessee). Each household provided the name of the head of the family and the number of persons in each household of the following descriptions: Free White males of 16 years and upward (to assess the countries industrial and military potential), free White males under 16 years, free White females, all other free persons (by sex and color), and slaves.
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Never got anything like that and never heard of it till now. Wonder who gets that?
As indicated above, it's on the 2010 Census and ACS long form, here: http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downlo...ity_Survey.pdf
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Here is an interesting document about historical census forms (I admit my mother worked for the CB in DC for several years so I have a soft spot for it)--not only are the data used for present day purposes, there is historical value to them. RE the first census:
Cool! Things have changed a bit since the 1790 census.
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Like so many other aspects of government, there has been a lot of "scope creep" since the founding. At one point the census was little more than your name and the number of people in your household, with the only Constitutional reason being the need to know populations in order to properly apportion Congressional representation (and electoral votes).
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I am hopeful that providing the requested information will allow the government to have accurate data regarding the characteristics of our population so they can make rational decisions on matters of public policy. It has been my experience that actions taken in the absence of accurate information are often misguided.

Wishful thinking, Gumby!! Do you suppose those millions of illegals will be responding to the Census? Of course not. Will that stop them from obtaining public assistance? Of course not.

Teehee...you said "rational decisions" when referring to government.
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