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Old 03-13-2007, 10:51 PM   #81
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Well it appears NASA is in disagreement with you on the ozone layer beginnning to recover per their measurements
Hmm...last time NASA did some "measurements" they flew a probe into the side of mars...what was that error? Using meters instead of yards or some such thing?
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Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle
Old 03-14-2007, 12:06 AM   #82
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BTW -- all the CFC plants that were shutdown were sold to India and China who started them up and built more. CFCs are only banned in Europe, Japan, Canada and the US (and possibly some other "industrialized" areas). Just like Kyoto, it doesn't apply to most of the rest of the planet.
This is true, and it sucks. Yet, it's worked. CFC production has decreased since the 70s.



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Old 03-14-2007, 12:18 AM   #83
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See earlier post re: popular vs scientific concept of Theory
Ok.

"For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theory which explains why the apple behaves so is the current theory of gravitation."



I fail to see how AGW doesn't meet the definition of "theory."



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AGW does fit the scientific definition of a theory. I think what he is saying is that it isn't a 'popular' theory with some people (oil tycoons and such)
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Hmm...last time NASA did some "measurements" they flew a probe into the side of mars...what was that error? Using meters instead of yards or some such thing?
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Sincere apology to those at nasa who use the same units of measure throughout a project
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Sincere apology to those at nasa who use the same units of measure throughout a project
Don't forget the probe that was supposed to be caught by helicoptors that slammed into the Utah desert instead. A tech had hooked up the altimeter tubes backwards. I watched that hit on a NASA monitor. It was impressive.

I was supposed to help with the handling and storage of the samples collected.
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So in other words you were a pretty happy camper due to the substantial drop in required work?

Or did they send you out with some tongs and sticky paper?
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Hmmm - are we getting close to Kayaks? - or have we got a few more zingers for this thread before we burn out.

heh heh heh - still have my curmudgeon certificate - . , . , : , , , 8).
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I bought a fresh sack of zingers at the store this morning.
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Little Debies are nice - IMO zingers are better.

heh heh heh - Are we close to asking about Deming and wondering aloud whether a red bead experiment is possible?
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Unfortunately, I was shopping at the 99c store, so the zingers might not be very good or could in fact be irregular...
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Well, someday we may actually have enough data, and reduced the hysteria to the point where we can actually come to a logical conclusion ... but not in this current, circus atmosphere (so to speak ...). :

In the meantime:
  • Dishonest "environmentalists" who hate our culture will beat the global warming drum ... not because global warming is necessarily a fact, but because it fits their expectations, and they'll jump on any bandwagon that supports a quasi-religious environmentalism
  • Emerging markets will love seeing the developed markets hamstring their economies, and impoverish their populations while tilting at the global warming windmill
  • Increasing numbers of scientists will develop the cojones to speak out against the excessive stridence currently marketed as "science" ... some are clearly becoming embarrassed by the excesses.
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Well, someday we may actually have enough data, and reduced the hysteria to the point where we can actually come to a logical conclusion ... but not in this current, circus atmosphere (so to speak ...). :

In the meantime:
  • Dishonest "environmentalists" who hate our culture will beat the global warming drum ... not because global warming is necessarily a fact, but because it fits their expectations, and they'll jump on any bandwagon that supports a quasi-religious environmentalism
  • Emerging markets will love seeing the developed markets hamstring their economies, and impoverish their populations while tilting at the global warming windmill
  • Increasing numbers of scientists will develop the cojones to speak out against the excessive stridence currently marketed as "science" ... some are clearly becoming embarrassed by the excesses.
I would like to see these enviro dudes pack up and live in a 3rd world country.

These guys are nothing but frauds, punks and anarcists.
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Are we close to asking about Deming and wondering aloud whether a red bead experiment is possible?
We certainly wouldn't expect an objective evaluation of the data to be done. It might not agree with the predetermined solution.

BTW -- the answer is 42.

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I'm reading Michael Crichton's "State of Fear" novel now.
His books are usually made into movies.
I don't think this one will - it is about exposing the global warming fraud.
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I'm reading Michael Crichton's "State of Fear" novel now.
His books are usually made into movies.
I don't think this one will - it is about exposing the global warming fraud.
Yeah. I read that one. I didn't like it as much as many of his others because the protagonist is such an arrogant dick-head. There are a bunch of science oriented Internet sites that pretty thoroughly debunk Crichton's claims.
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Yeah. I read that one. I didn't like it as much as many of his others because the protagonist is such an arrogant dick-head. There are a bunch of science oriented Internet sites that pretty thoroughly debunk Crichton's claims.
I had the same thought - I wonder why he wrote him that way?
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I had the same thought - I wonder why he wrote him that way?
Because it is entertainmnet and nobody wants to pay for a book and have it be the same as the previous book(s).
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I would like to see these enviro dudes pack up and live in a 3rd world country.

These guys are nothing but frauds, punks and anarcists.
So you disagree that CO2 is a greenhouse gas?
Are either/both of you saying that there are no enviornmentalists that honestly are concerned about our enviornment?
If not, what DO you call someone who is honestly concerned about the enviornment?
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