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Old 01-18-2012, 10:50 AM   #21
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OK, Bestwifeever...This is a man thing (minus Redduck). Don't you have a cake to bake or something? Actually, "man thing" doesn't sound quite right, sorry.


When I bake a cake I like to leave the oven door open afterwards so any extra heat can warm up the house. Try that
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What kind of thermostat is this? Is this a manual dial round thermostat or a newer digital one? If it's a manual round (I think this was a Honeywell), you should check it with a level, it may have loosen and needs to be releveled to fix it. If you're somewhat handy, all the thermostat does is tell the heat to turn on/off. Check to see that's it's low voltage, under 24v, if so, there's two wires for heat that you can just twist together that will basically bypass the thermostat and would eliminate the thermostat as the issue. If it has batteries, check and replace these as needed too.
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When I bake a cake I like to leave the oven door open afterwards so any extra heat can warm up the house. Try that
If you left the door closed, where would the heat go?
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Old 01-18-2012, 11:41 AM   #24
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If you left the door closed, where would the heat go?
Into the cake, of course.
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I'd like to second what Walt was saying about the heat exchanger on a unit this old. Have it examined closely for cracks. I've actually seen one so bad that the burner flames were blown sideways when the fan kicked on. Quite a fire hazard.

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My choice was to go for a higher efficiency furnace and use the fuel savings to pay for the furnace. It is a balmy 0 degrees right now, (or minus something in Celsius years), so your meterage may vary.

For the record, my deterred gratification clamps were implanted by my wife's insistence. Where she w()rI<$, the line is that it's better to ask for forgiveness later, than to ask for permission. They don't know DW very well....
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I'd like to second what Walt was saying about the heat exchanger on a unit this old. Have it examined closely for cracks. I've actually seen one so bad that the burner flames were blown sideways when the fan kicked on. Quite a fire hazard.

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Dittoe Walt's/Avalons comments. At 42 yo, I'd prepare yourself for a replacement. Do you have the unit serviced yearly, as I be surprised they didn't recommend a replacement long ago?
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OK, the heating guy came and eventually left. It seems like the fan motor had a short in it (and now it doesn't). The heating guy inspected what ever needed to be inspected (re: the furnace) and put in a new filter. We have the heat back up to 68 degrees. So, Bestwifeever, if you want to come over and experience the warmth of a furnace at 68 degrees, you are more than welcome.

He also said that the furnace probably was put in when the house was built: 1962. He said that it really doesn't have to be replaced, but if it were replaced he'd suggest a 5-ton (5-tonne?) furnace.

Time to put the electric space heaters back into the garage.

Thanks for the concerns and suggestions.
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I just called the repair guy, and, yes, the heat exchanger is the first thing they check and it did check out just fine. We will have it serviced once a year from now on.
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This is a trick question, because we all know doesn't get below 64 degrees in L.A.!
Heck, the OP needs no doggone "deferred gratification clamps". All he needs to do is to turn off the furnace and let the inside temperature drop to match the outside, which is what? 62 deg?

Our home in the high country (7000 ft) has the heat pump thermostat fixed at 45deg. Would have set lower, but then that is about as low as it goes, plus do not want the pipe to freeze. The average low is 23F, and the record low is -19F.

There, try that out as "the clamps".
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That's amazing, good for you. I'd never expect a furnace, AC or any major applicance/home system to last more than about 20 years. I think I'll find the builder who did my house and sue him since the original furnace died after about 20 years - yeah, that's the ticket.

I'll need you to testify on my behalf OK?
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Good news. How much was the service call?

I once thought I'd use the fan-only mode to distribute the wood stove heat throughout the house. However, not only does it not work well, but the fan draws 500 watts.
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So, assuming you are correct about the set of failures in the control systems, does that mean a new furnace is the reasonable solution?
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OK, the heating guy came and eventually left.
He also said that the furnace probably was put in when the house was built: 1962. He said that it really doesn't have to be replaced, but if it were replaced he'd suggest a 5-ton (5-tonne?) furnace.
Furnace guys would much rather replace the gear during the week between Christmas & New Years, when their service calls are worth triple overtime, instead of when the weather is only getting warmer...

Another situation is ending up replacing the furnace because you're putting the house up for sale, and no buyer would ever sign a contract for a house with its original furnace. Nothing more annoying than primping a house into perfect condition and then not being able to enjoy any of the improvements.

How much would you save if you bought a high-efficiency furnace? In other words, what's your payback?
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I'd recommend you get at least one good carbon monoxide detector for your house if you don't have one already. By "good" I mean a name brand that has a digital readout of the CO level. Anyone with combustion appliances in their home should have one of these anyway, but if you're going to try to squeeze a few more years out of a very old heat exchanger, it's an especially good investment.
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OK, Bestwifeever...This is a man thing (minus Redduck). Don't you have a cake to bake or something? Actually, "man thing" doesn't sound quite right, sorry.
Yup, back in the mid 70's, when propane went from $.17/gal to $1.20/gal within a couple of years, DW often accused me of being a "man thing" when I tried to set the temp. lower than 70. She broke out the thermal underwear AND the hunting underwear. Even used to wear my snowmobile jump-suit occasionally. Finally installed a Jotul wood stove. Much more romantic to sit in front of a fireplace/stove than huddle with a woman in 3 layers of underwear. YMMV
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That's amazing, good for you. I'd never expect a furnace, AC or any major applicance/home system to last more than about 20 years. I think I'll find the builder who did my house and sue him since the original furnace died after about 20 years - yeah, that's the ticket.

I'll need you to testify on my behalf OK?
I've only testified twice in court and a few times in depositions. You really, really don't want me testifying on your side. Trust me.

And, I've always been dismissed from jury duty. The last time was when I told the attorney representing a major car company, who was interviewing me as a potential juror, that I was going to vote for the plaintiff (the guy suing the car company). BTW, I was being completely truthful. I'm not sure what the case was about.
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Good news. How much was the service call?

I once thought I'd use the fan-only mode to distribute the wood stove heat throughout the house. However, not only does it not work well, but the fan draws 500 watts.
The service call cost a total of $233.22 (which includes $2.50 +$0.22tax) for a filter. They charge $98 per hr. Much of the cost involved travel time. Anyhow, they told us upfront re: the travel time and costs and we were OK with it.
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OK, the heating guy came and eventually left. It seems like the fan motor had a short in it (and now it doesn't). The heating guy inspected what ever needed to be inspected (re: the furnace) and put in a new filter. We have the heat back up to 68 degrees. So, Bestwifeever, if you want to come over and experience the warmth of a furnace at 68 degrees, you are more than welcome.

He also said that the furnace probably was put in when the house was built: 1962. He said that it really doesn't have to be replaced, but if it were replaced he'd suggest a 5-ton (5-tonne?) furnace.

Time to put the electric space heaters back into the garage.

Thanks for the concerns and suggestions.
One ton of HVAC is 12000 btu per hour, ususally used in terms of AC size.
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I'd recommend you get at least one good carbon monoxide detector for your house if you don't have one already. By "good" I mean a name brand that has a digital readout of the CO level. Anyone with combustion appliances in their home should have one of these anyway, but if you're going to try to squeeze a few more years out of a very old heat exchanger, it's an especially good investment.
samclem,

I will follow up on your suggestion. Thanks.
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...We have the heat back up to 68 degrees. So, Bestwifeever, if you want to come over and experience the warmth of a furnace at 68 degrees, you are more than welcome.....
68 degrees? That's crazy talk! I can only dream.
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