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Old 05-23-2011, 06:08 PM   #41
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I hear that EMTs' pay is dismal, $50k or less many places, and yet they face many of the same challenges as lifeguards (requires training, quick thinking, responsibility for someone else's life, etc.). Obviously EMTs aren't diving into huge waves but are lifeguards really worth 4x as much as EMTs?

If I were a municipal budget director [edit: in CA], I would rather hire 4 EMTs than 1 lifeguard any day of the week, just in terms of # of lives saved / injuries reduced. I love the beach but come on.
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Old 05-23-2011, 06:18 PM   #42
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I hear that EMTs' pay is dismal, $50k or less many places, and yet they face many of the same challenges as lifeguards (requires training, quick thinking, responsibility for someone else's life, etc.). Obviously EMTs aren't diving into huge waves but are lifeguards really worth 4x as much as EMTs?

If I were a municipal budget director, I would rather hire 4 EMTs than 1 lifeguard any day of the week, just in terms of # of lives saved / injuries reduced. I love the beach but come on.
I know that beach in Dallas is nice, but...
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Did we turn socialist all of a sudden when I wasn't looking? Do we take a vote or appoint a committee to decide how much a job is worth? If lifeguards are being paid more than market rate, that's too much. Otherwise, it's not.
+1. They should reverse auction the job. Fully qualified people would line up for 50% of what's currently paid - with no pension and no overtime.
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The LAFD’s STARTING
salary is $53,766- $74,416 a year
Effective 07/01/2008

That is from the L.A. Fire Departments website. California has always had high paying civil service jobs. But even at those high salaries many of the workers have to live an hour or more away.
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+1. They should reverse auction the job. Fully qualified people would line up for 50% of what's currently paid - with no pension and no overtime.
This would have been an excellent post to the recent thread on outraged over CEO pay!
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I think they should be billed for their rescues to fund the lifeguards. I'll bet lifeguards would have supplemental fund after all the salaries and benefits are paid. In NYC, fire department billed the accident rescues starting last year. Needless to say, minor fender benders call to 911 drop dramatically. My cousin is a FDNY firefighter. I don't envy his pension although it's going to be about $100K/yr.
This works until someone drowns because he was too cheap to yell "help."

There was some boater here who almost died. When asked why he didn't radio the coast guard sooner, he said it was because he thought he'd be charged for the rescue.
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This works until someone drowns because he was too cheap to yell "help."

There was some boater here who almost died. When asked why he didn't radio the coast guard sooner, he said it was because he thought he'd be charged for the rescue.
And that would be most members in the FIRE Forum.
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Hrmph. A REAL Rugged Individualist doesn't need this Nanny State Safety Net. A Rugged Individualist will avoid getting into trouble in the water through a combination of intellectual and physical prowess, combined with the ability to give himself CPR through sheer force of will.

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Dang, and I was about to congratulate you on your astute observation, until I read the small print.

The volunteer fire departments in our county will file a claim with the home owner for responding to their properties. A neighbor brought up that we should not adopt this policy with our VFD as someone might not call if they have a fire to avoid the charge. I have little time with dumb people. If they will risk their home burning so they are not charged a $1,000 bucks to put it out, then so be it.
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Just read online the ruckus over lifeguard pay in California has caused immediate changes for future lifeguard supervisors pensions. Instead of getting 90% of pay in retirement plus health benes, it has been reduced to 60%. The uproar started over a lifeguard having a 105,000 pension plus paid health benefits at age 51.
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