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Old 03-12-2012, 03:04 PM   #241
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I'd read a book entitled "Biography of a Spammer" (but not if I had to buy it from a spammer).
Not exactly a book, but you may enjoy this website: Welcome to 419Eater

People respond to the spammers and get them to do ridiculous things (like pose with funny signs.) I read a great article about this a few years back in either the New Yorker or the Atlantic. Sadly, I think more people get sucked into these types of schemes than any of us here could imagine!
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Not exactly a book, but you may enjoy this website: Welcome to 419Eater

People respond to the spammers and get them to do ridiculous things (like pose with funny signs.) I read a great article about this a few years back in either the New Yorker or the Atlantic. Sadly, I think more people get sucked into these types of schemes than any of us here could imagine!
Thanks, I'll check it out! I thought the parts of the book that Amazon would allow me to read, were fascinating. I may eventually have to pony up the $30. I can afford it but it is the principle of it. To use an old expression, it is highway robbery and I want to refuse to pay that much. But I might cave in.
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Thanks, I'll check it out! I thought the parts of the book that Amazon would allow me to read, were fascinating. I may eventually have to pony up the $30. I can afford it but it is the principle of it. To use an old expression, it is highway robbery and I want to refuse to pay that much. But I might cave in.
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I'm seldom clear in making my point!! My bad.

What I meant is that people can't say that the US is the 'richest country in the world' when WE (as a country) are $57 Trill in debt.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
I was a little too quick to jump on you too - sorry about that. I was assuming that you were applying the simple logic of "all debt is bad" to our economy.

Given that a certain level of indebtedness is necessary to keep an economy operating and productive, I'm wondering what level of debt is actually considered healthy. Is there any consensus on this, or is it the kind of thing that economists argue endlessly about, while boring their friends and significant others to death?

Oh - and just to keep in spirit with the rest of the thread, I don't get why so many people feel the need to jam ear-buds into their ears (fed invariably by iPods and iPhones) while out walking jogging, hiking, sitting on buses and trains etc, when they could be more connected to their environment and perhaps even (perish the thought) available for a greeting or even a quick chat to pass the time of day.
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Ask your library if they can get it on interlibrary loan! Always a chance!
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Oooooh!! I just searched Amazon and found a book along these lines!

Amazon.com: Inside the SPAM Cartel: By Spammer-X (0792502668603): Spammer-X, Jeffrey Posluns (Editor), Stu Sjouwerman (Foreword): Books

If it wasn't $33.42 for paperback (Kindle edition $30), I'd buy and read it. That price is completely ridiculous IMO. However, reading the free portion on Amazon I read an interesting statistic. The spammer gives an example of a spam porno e-mail the he sent, and 14% of those he sent it to clicked on the link.
You could try reading this for free. I think you'll find it interesting.
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You could try reading this for free. I think you'll find it interesting.
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Thanks! I'll check it out. For some reason, I am fascinated by these jerks people.
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I understand it when people still say "We're the richest country in the world"....

What I don't understand is why nobody ever takes 'em up on it and says: "Newflash: no we're not! we're broke!!! Borrowed money doesn't count as 'wealth'!
To say "we're broke" is foolish.

If someone had annual receipts of 100k and had 600k of debt (and substantial assets that are uncounted but probably exceed the 600k of debt) would you say that individual was "broke"? I wouldn't. The US government's annual receipts are 2.6 trillion (2011) and the national debt is 15.5 trillion (3/31/12), roughly the same 1:6 ratio.

What never gets considered is the value of all the property owned by the US government (land, highways, buildings, airports, infrastructure, etc.).

The troublesome part to me is that the outlays are too high (no LBYM) at 3.8 trillion and would be equivalent of a hypothetical individual who has receipts of 100k spending 150k a year. At that rate of living beyond their means, they would be broke if they didn't change their ways quickly (and the sooner the better).

The US is still the richest country in the world, but if we don't soon change our liberal spending ways, we won't be for much longer.
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To say "we're broke" is foolish.
If someone had annual receipts of 100k and had 600k of debt (and substantial assets that are uncounted but probably exceed the 600k of debt) would you say that individual was "broke"? I wouldn't. The US government's annual receipts are 2.6 trillion (2011) and the national debt is 15.5 trillion (3/31/12), roughly the same 1:6 ratio.
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Watching the local news-- they just had a story about cell phone use while driving, and how it is so bad. But the reporter had the story filmed while she was driving and glancing at her cell phone. She even said "if you hold one of these you deserve to get a ticket."

I don't get how someone could be that stupid.
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I'm seldom clear in making my point!! My bad.

What I meant is that people can't say that the US is the 'richest country in the world' when WE (as a country) are $57 Trill in debt.

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Wishful thinking and delusion is always with us, until the bottom suddenly falls out. Even with the debt we now have, a rise in interest rates still way short of historic median levels would leave very little of government income to spend on things beyond debt service. At current levels of income and debt, even with all time low interest rates, we are operating on a wing and a prayer.

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I was a little too quick to jump on you too - sorry about that. I was assuming that you were applying the simple logic of "all debt is bad" to our economy.

Given that a certain level of indebtedness is necessary to keep an economy operating and productive, I'm wondering what level of debt is actually considered healthy. Is there any consensus on this, or is it the kind of thing that economists argue endlessly about, while boring their friends and significant others to death?

Oh - and just to keep in spirit with the rest of the thread, I don't get why so many people feel the need to jam ear-buds into their ears (fed invariably by iPods and iPhones) while out walking jogging, hiking, sitting on buses and trains etc, when they could be more connected to their environment and perhaps even (perish the thought) available for a greeting or even a quick chat to pass the time of day.
Plus being at least somewhat less likely to walk into the pathway of a truck or bus, or suddenly find oneself in the middle of an attack. Worst of all I think are people walking along texting, as they cross streets, crash into other pedestrians, etc.

I love my Ipod and podcasts- but only at home. I won't even sit on a park bench with it.

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At a service station yesterday I saw a woman pull up to a gas pump, radio blasting rap, gets out and prances into the store whild her male friend gets out to pump the gas. Hat on backwards, pants down below his butt and just jiving. Doesn't give a damn about annoying anyone else. These low lifes really get to me but I have to leave before I open my big mouth. Couple kids in their car are getting a really good education. What is happening to society? I don't get it.
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At a service station yesterday I saw a woman pull up to a gas pump, radio blasting rap, gets out and prances into the store whild her male friend gets out to pump the gas. Hat on backwards, pants down below his butt and just jiving. Doesn't give a damn about annoying anyone else. These low lifes really get to me but I have to leave before I open my big mouth. Couple kids in their car are getting a really good education. What is happening to society? I don't get it.
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What is happening to society? I don't get it.
IMHO, "society" has moved on, the same way it always has for those that are younger (looking at the elders as "old pharts") and the older, looking at the younger as the "lost generation".

I'm reminded of the scene of "Fried Green Tomatos" where the following exchange happened:

"[Evelyn is cut off in a parking lot]
Evelyn Couch: Hey! I was waiting for that spot!
Girl #1: Face it, lady, we're younger and faster!
[Evelyn rear-ends the other car six times]
Girl #1: What are you *doing*?
Girl #2: Are you *crazy*?
Evelyn Couch: Face it, girls, I'm older and I have more insurance."

Luckly, I'm at an age that I may not agree with today's generation, but heck, it dosen't bother me at all. You see, I'm older and certainly have more "insurance" (e.g. FI).

I can't get upset over the situation, since the one's who "offend me" will probably not get the chance to live the life I live (same as I can't live the lifes of my parents and grandparents, with pensions and other advantages that didn't require any planning for old age).

The thing is, I'm happy. IMHO, that's all that counts. The younger generation can make their own road - I've already made mine. It's the same as my parents and grandparents looked upon "my generation".
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You have obviously never been to Sarasota ,Fl . Most of the older guys have girlfriends or wives that look about 25.
I lived in Port Charlotte when I was 25, and my girlfriend was not 55 or 60..........

I guess there was not much "cougaring" back then.......
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Plus being at least somewhat less likely to walk into the pathway of a truck or bus, or suddenly find oneself in the middle of an attack. Worst of all I think are people walking along texting, as they cross streets, crash into other pedestrians, etc.

I love my Ipod and podcasts- but only at home. I won't even sit on a park bench with it.

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The danger is definitely a factor, but the thing that bugs me is the lost opportunity to connect with people in the shared spaces of our communities. People with ear-buds or headphones on rarely engage in any conversation in public spaces.

It even happened in my building yesterday. My next-door neighbor, an intelligent and engaging woman, was walking into her room. She saw me, smiled and said hi. I said hello back and also said "Is it raining out there?" I got no response as she opened her door and walked into her room. It was at that point I realized she was wearing ear-buds. She even does it when she's cooking in our shared kitchen - she'll wear earphones the whole time she's cooking and even though she's standing right next to me, is lost in her own world.

Whatever happened to us making our own entertainment by talking to each other?
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