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Old 12-21-2008, 11:58 PM   #41
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This might be a good poll for a different thread.

I have always been a skeptic of global warming.

I spend a lot of time outdoors...I always have my whole life. And it does NOT seem any warmer to me at all. Here in Pennsylvania we had a whopping 2 or 3 days that it reached 90* for the entire summer. In the 80's I remember it being over 100* on many days.

I also figured out that in my lifetime I have seen three times as many record lows as record high temperatures.

A lady I'm friends with told me that in the 60's they said another ice age was coming.....I'm thinking global warming is about as accurate of a prediction.

Right now in Pa it's like 5* and blowing freezing cold wind.

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...but the forecast says rain & snow showers possible every day and freezing temperatures every night until the 26th. That's not going to get all this snow off the roadways. If anything, rain on top of the snow and then freezing at night will make the roads even slicker.
I sure agree with you on this. If it rains and refreezes that is really the worst possible situation. You can hardly walk, let alone drive.

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Current temperature -35C (approx -32F)
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Current temperature -35C (approx -32F)
-32F? Amazing.

And I thought it was cold here in New Orleans this morning, at +34F. Oh well. It feels pretty cold after highs of almost 80 degrees over the weekend.
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Not sure whether global warming is fact or not. The concept of greenhouse gasses seems perfectly valid, but the magnitude of the effect is unproven - especially in comparison to some other "unknowns" but just as likely contributors (such as solar output, volcanic activity and others).

What I find interesting is the extent to which some will go to "hype" the concept of global warming. Case in point: Watched a global warming "expert" the other day say that the recent cold snap was due to global warming. Uncharacteristically, the interviewer actually challenged the expert. He pointed out that in recent years the "experts" pointed to warmer than usual winters as "proof" that global warming is a reality. Without batting an eye, the expert maintained that both were proofs of global warming.

Don't want this guy on my debate team, no matter what position I eventually adopt. As always, YMMV.
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Not sure whether global warming is fact or not. The concept of greenhouse gasses seems perfectly valid, but the magnitude of the effect is unproven - especially in comparison to some other "unknowns" but just as likely contributors (such as solar output, volcanic activity and others).

What I find interesting is the extent to which some will go to "hype" the concept of global warming. Case in point: Watched a global warming "expert" the other day say that the recent cold snap was due to global warming. Uncharacteristically, the interviewer actually challenged the expert. He pointed out that in recent years the "experts" pointed to warmer than usual winters as "proof" that global warming is a reality. Without batting an eye, the expert maintained that both were proofs of global warming.

Don't want this guy on my debate team, no matter what position I eventually adopt. As always, YMMV.
I am starting to see a move in language from "global warming" to "climate change"....how sneaky.

Now, WHERE'S Al Gore when I need him? I'd like to give him a shovel and tell him to shovel out the drifts in my driveway (currently -20 wind chill).........
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Now, WHERE'S Al Gore when I need him? I'd like to give him a shovel and tell him to shovel out the drifts in my driveway (currently -20 wind chill).........
You already have enough problems, you probably don't want Al anywhere near you right now:
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For several years now, skeptics have amusedly eyed a phenomenon known as “The Gore Effect” to half-seriously argue their case against global warming.

The so-called Gore Effect happens when a global warming-related event, or appearance by the former vice president and climate change crusader, Al Gore, is marked by exceedingly cold weather or unseasonably winter weather.

For instance, in March, 2007, a Capitol Hill media briefing on the Senate’s new climate bill was cancelled due to a snowstorm.

On Oct. 22, Gore’s global warming speech at Harvard University coincided with near 125-year record-breaking low temperatures. And less than a week later, on Oct. 28, the British House of Commons held a marathon debate on global warming during London’s first October snowfall since 1922.

While there’s no scientific proof that The Gore Effect is anything more than a humorous coincidence, some climate skeptics say it may offer a snapshot of proof that the planet isn’t warming as quickly as some climate change advocates say.
Back on topic for a mo...I just have to say that reading this thread makes me feeling kind of silly when my teeth chatter in the 45 degree cold spell we're experiencing around here. I love snow for skiing and snowmobiling, and for the rest of the time I think it's just fine staying up north somewhere. How you guys stand it I'll never know.
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Up to 11 below right now, the sun is shining and I blew the rest of the snow yesterday. My fan on my computer is making horrible noises so I am going out for a repair in a bit after I remove the snow plow pile at the end of the driveway.
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Typical north Tejas weather here: 70-something a week ago Saturday, ice/sleet last Monday/Tuesday, around 70 on Friday, back to freezing and below now...
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We are getting dang tired of our current weather. Shoveled the driveway yest for the fourth time, and got six more in last night. Couldn't find the paper this am as it was buried in the snow. This is W. WA, c'mon.
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At least the termites and various other bugs will be taken care of up north.
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Old 12-22-2008, 09:32 AM   #53
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Ya gotta ask yourself: What's so bad about global warming?

-9 degrees, sunny, and no wind. Now, where are my yaktrax.
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Still -5F at my sisters. Supposed to jump up to the 20s. Still not impressed.
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Not quite snowed-in here in Bellingham (WA). All the visitors made it home. The laundry room makes a great refridgerator and the back porch is a great freezer. The tequila bottles froze to the deck. We had a lot of company and not enough room in the 'fridge.

Last week in Calgary I started my car right up at -35C (-25F). (Good thing, too. I don't get paid if I don't show up.) Parked it underground for the next 2 weeks.

Geez, surprisingly, there are a lot of people in Calgary who don't know how to drive in snow and ice. And the hills are even wimpy, too (compared to Seattle, for example). Life is so easy in Cowtown that Darwin has not weeded out all of the dummies yet.

The way things are going, I am expecting a difficult trip to the airport two weeks hence.

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This cold weather and blowing snow is for the birds. Good thing we didn't have to go anywhere yesterday considering we were drifted in. Alas, the maintainer went by today and opened us up to the North and South.
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For those who don't know the micro-climates in the Pacific NW, the temperature is usually milder around Puget Sound than in Portland. The Sound moderates temperatures and Portland is 100 miles inland (not to mention a portion is at the west end of the Columbia River Gorge - a funnel for anything out of Alberta, CN under the right pressure gradient). Portland, for example, was 21 degrees when we had 30.

I am praying for a dry transition to milder temps.
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Dang - a lot of you are dealing with cruchy-cold temps and major snow - we're back to 34 degrees today - was making me a bit nervous last night listening to the ice dropping. Before it did the trees did a bit more shedding - here's the neighbor's oak:


and a house a block & 1/2 away i was taking pics of yesterday - it took a good hit from an oak branch:



Then an old maple, also within a block & 1/2:



Not the norm for this area at all!
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Yikes. For the last day and a half, we've been basically inside a refrigerator. Dry (as usual out here; we're having a terrible drought right now) with near-constant temps in the low to mid 30s. We could have kept milk outside for the last 36 hours or so and it would have been just fine.

We should be looking at a warming trend tomorrow, getting back up into the 60s and low 70s for the next few days. But with the air so dry (the dewpoint is currently 5), we'll still be getting some refrigerated nights.
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Ouch Calmloki! I almost looked at my gas bill the way I looked at your trees...$195 and I live in TX. Hate to think what others will pay....
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