Tipping

That's what exchange rates are all about. The dollar has fallen and now it's time for the world to visit us, buy our relatively cheaper goods and all that.

The rates float to help keep everything in balance. When rates were favorable for international travel, that's what I did. But it's going to be less now....It will be interesting to see if other Americans get the same message


Good thinking. Our floating Aussie dollar saved our economy when there was an Asian economic crisis a few years ago. We might have not been able to buy as much stuff from overseas at that time but we maintained full employment because our exports became cheaper on the global market.

We buy a lot of technology from the USA and you are correct to suggest that this is the time for us to buy that stuff. I have recently been buying electronic measuring woodworking tools from Rockler in the USA and fishing gear from Cabelas delivered to my door for about 30% - 40% cheaper than I can buy it in Australia. I wish that it was the same when I bought each of my three Apple Macs and my Mercury outboard motor a few years ago but it was not.
 
But we get 'em back at the tables. :rolleyes:


Yes - of course you do. Hahaha! :D:D:D

BTW, every Aussie state capital City has a casino plus there are a few in the minor cities. Is that not the case in the USA? Surely you don't have to go to Vegas for a casino?
 
Yes - of course you do. Hahaha! :D:D:D

BTW, every Aussie state capital City has a casino plus there are a few in the minor cities. Is that not the case in the USA? Surely you don't have to go to Vegas for a casino?


Depends on where you live. Some states don't allow it at all. Others get around some of the old laws by putting them on the water (riverboats that just float a few feet away from the shore for a 3-4 hour "cruise"). Other states allow the native population to run them on their land (reservations). It can be very confusing.
 
I am interested to hear if others tip delivery people, (mattresses, appliances, not UPS) and service people like plumbers and HVAC guys. I usually give $20 when it is a two-person job and $10 when it is a relatively quick fix and involves one person. What do you do?
 
- Incentivizes lazy consumption. Bartenders make way way way more tips than people who do useful things like, say, childcare or work on your house.

I beg your pardon!

Some would argue that their service is more important than most.
 
Australia ... what a great country! The absence of tipping and friendly service contribute to relaxing vacations.

Fair wages should be paid to people by their employers. The customers should not be expected to pay extra for good service but should expect that the employer will hire and maintain (PAY) people who serve their business and customers well. The argument I have heard is that then the business would have to raise their prices. So be it. It would be equal expense to all and no more groveling for tips.
Yes, I agree.

I do tip, as things are the way they are in America, but I long for the day that it is outlawed in favor of fair wages for all.... We should put a stop to it, but I do not know how.
Stop tipping. You don't have to play the game. Things can change eventually, but only if the free market is allowed to work properly.

One stupid website: Remember To Tip The Pizza Delivery Driver.

One great movie script: [-]Steve Buscemi's[/-] Mr. Pink's rant in the opening scene of Reservoir Dogs.
 
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I am interested to hear if others tip delivery people, (mattresses, appliances, not UPS) and service people like plumbers and HVAC guys. I usually give $20 when it is a two-person job and $10 when it is a relatively quick fix and involves one person.


Ya gotta be jokin'! Where does it stop for you poor Americans:confused:

Life is too short to have to make those decisions every day!

Next you will be telling me that you tip traffic cops. Well, I suppose that you have to sometimes in places like Vietnam but I would call that more of a bribe than a tip! :D
 
I am interested to hear if others tip delivery people, (mattresses, appliances, not UPS) and service people like plumbers and HVAC guys. I usually give $20 when it is a two-person job and $10 when it is a relatively quick fix and involves one person. What do you do?

I do too. You would be amazed at what you can get out of it. I had a plumber over recently (paid for by my home warranty company) to do a job in my basement with the sump pump. A $40 cash tip got all my minor plumbing problems in the house fixed.
 
Australians I’ve met in my travels have given me mostly good impressions of what Australians are like (oh my gosh, I’m stereotyping aren’t I?), and left me with the idea that Australia would be a really cool place to visit – the no-tipping culture just got added to the list of reasons why I think it would be neat to spend some time in Australia.

On the infrequent occasions that I eat in a place where tipping is expected, I tip, usually reluctantly. I appreciate friendliness, happiness, and courtesy but I don’t like overly “friendly” service, too much synthetic cheer, discourteous kinds of informality, or the worst - manic enthusiasm. I believe all these disorders are symptoms of the tipping culture.
As a teen, I worked in a non-franchise Mexican fast food place. It was high quality IMO, and very popular. I worked as many hours as I could get, usually after school from prior to the dinner rush through closing – to include accompanying the manager to the bank drop box to drop off the cash after closing. I cooked (yes there was real cooking – this was not a franchise), cleaned, took orders, ran the cash register, hauled garbage, took stock, did prep, fixed problems, trained new people – so my work required many skills, teamwork, communication, a good attitude, and a lot of energy. My pay was raised to above minimum wage but I was still a low paid worker.
I NEVER got a tip and it NEVER occurred to me that there was anything unfair about that. So why is it that it’s somehow mean-spirited to think that waiters and waitresses really shouldn’t be tipped? You can’t convince me that waiters and waitresses work harder or employ more energy or talent on the job than I did at the restaurant where I worked.
True believers in the “from each according to his abilities – to each according to his needs” philosophy may say “Well AJ, you were in High School it was OK to not pay you much because you didn’t NEED much, we’re talking about people whose living depends on their low paid jobs – they NEED tips.” - well actually I did need the money, but what about the college students, the adults, and the single mother who worked there? They didn’t get tips either. And I don’t recall it ever being an issue. I guess a key piece of info that I don’t know and that is probably not consistent across the board is: what are the hourly wages of wait-staff? Do they get paid less than workers in restaurants in which there is no tipping?
 
I do too. You would be amazed at what you can get out of it. I had a plumber over recently (paid for by my home warranty company) to do a job in my basement with the sump pump. A $40 cash tip got all my minor plumbing problems in the house fixed.

I did the same, got the phone guy to punch down three lines for a $20 cash tip. Sweet.

But as for normal workmen in the house my tip is a glass of whatever I have in the fridge. When I was painting houses during college summers, I remember how great it was to get a cool drink on a hot summer day. But stay with soft drinks. We would always laugh at the idiots that tried to serve us beers while we were on ladders painting their trim.
 
Ya gotta be jokin'! Where does it stop for you poor Americans:confused:

Life is too short to have to make those decisions every day!

Next you will be telling me that you tip traffic cops. Well, I suppose that you have to sometimes in places like Vietnam but I would call that more of a bribe than a tip! :D

Hehe, I remember the old commercials for McDonalds gift certificates featuring holiday-crazed folks handing them out to cops, postmen, everyone. Even as a child that seemed excessive.

But this year I think I really did make a faux pas by not giving a Christmas tip to the doorman at my new residence. Live and learn.
 
I NEVER got a tip and it NEVER occurred to me that there was anything unfair about that. So why is it that it’s somehow mean-spirited to think that waiters and waitresses really shouldn’t be tipped?
Bizarre, isn't it?

Either tipping is purely voluntary, or it isn't.

  • If it is discretionary, there is no excuse for snotty treatment of non-tippers, or the publication of stupid 'tip calculators' and similar forms of societal pressure.
  • If it is non-discretionary, the added amount should be included in the prices, so everything is 'on the table'.
 
Bizarre, isn't it?

Either tipping is purely voluntary, or it isn't.

  • If it is discretionary, there is no excuse for snotty treatment of non-tippers, or the publication of stupid 'tip calculators' and similar forms of societal pressure.
  • If it is non-discretionary, the added amount should be included in the prices, so everything is 'on the table'.
And instead we have some hybridized system where it's technically discretionary (in most cases) but there is a huge amount of social pressure to conform to it.

Personally I hate the tipping game, and I'd rather just see restaurants and bars and the like raise prices by 15% or so, pay their servers a decent wage and end the tipping nonsense. And it seems like more and more people in more and more occupations are expecting to be tipped.
 
Bizarre, isn't it?
....If it is non-discretionary, the added amount should be included in the prices, so everything is 'on the table'.

How else can I quickly learn a lot about the folks who join me for lunch or dinner? Cheap b*stards say, "you tipped too much," cheaper b*stards, remove some of the tip, even cheaper b*stards leave a pittance and a loud vocal insult. An old family friend did the third routine, after s/he left, I put down a 15% tip, removed a mess of napkins meant as an insult, and said to my niece, "we don't do that." Hope it took. Funny thing was, the family friend merely didn't like some frozen concoction she ordered, it was the sort of thing you could pick up at 7-11. Not the cook's fault.
 
I actually DID tip food delivery guys pretty well. I miss delivery here.

I remember when my sis got married I offered to host a pre=wedding brunch for a cadre of out-of-town guests. I was paying the caterer something like a grand for 40 people. I had NO IDEA I was "supposed to" tip the caterers... It just didn't even enter into my head to do so since we had a fixed estimate/budget.. until it was kind of too late and I realized I was getting dirty looks from the crew as they were packing up.. I didn't have a particular problem with tipping per se, but I just wasn't prepared.. no one told me this was the catering praxis. So I was occupied with all the guests leaving in the midst of disgruntled caterers, leaving me with just a bad overall impression of what should have been a nice event for me. :(

Someone tell me now what amount one "should" tip caterers (and WHO should get the tips.. the manager?.. the crew chief on-site? the individuals?) just in case this ever happens again.

This is why I hate tipping!
 
Use the KISS principle

Someone tell me now what amount one "should" tip caterers (and WHO should get the tips.. the manager?.. the crew chief on-site? the individuals?) just in case this ever happens again.
You're under absolutely no obligation to tip any of them. And if they get surly, you don't give them any more business ... and you tell anyone who subsequently asks for a catering referral to keep well clear.
 
I have never used caterers, so I had no idea that they were supposed to be tipped either. I always tip the pizza delivery person. I have never tipped a plumber or appliance delivery person or any similar person. Again, I did not know that people tipped them. Just out of curiosity, do you tip them at the beginning in order to get them to do extra work. I always give my tips when I am leaving or in this case, when they were getting ready to leave? I agree--I am starting to get confused by tipping also.
 
This is a good thread. One category of tips that nobody seems to have a clue on is guide tips. Several times I've been on outdoor trips and the guided group has pooled together to give the guide a tip. It seems like the amount ranged from 1% to 20% of the fee. Thinking about it now I suppose the tip is based on what we think the guide themself is making, rather than what we pay to the guiding service.
 
San Francisco has its own living wage that is higher than the federal and state minimum wage, and servers must be paid at least that minimum wage. Yet tipping is still expected. Why? Well, I know why, but does that mean I can tip less? Of course not, from the entitled servers' minds, right? I'm not saying that I would anyway, but it's one of those things where "they" can't tell us that we have to tip 15% and above because they get a low wage and then still expect that we tip 15% and above when they get the minimum wage. It's illogical!
 
I've never done waitressing, but I drove a taxicab in Cleveland in 1974 and received tips. I know I didn't claim any of the tip money as income, but I only made about $1200 that year and was still a dependent. My tips were mostly a few dollars above the fare, but sometimes I was also given garden vegetables!

I'm curious about how tipping works in a restaurant. If I add a tip to the bill that is paid with a credit card, does the waitress receive the full tip? Or do they deduct something for the credit card fee paid by the restaurant? If I leave cash on the table and the table is cleared by a busboy, do they share the tip?

Does each waitress or waiter keep all their own tips? Or do they have to be pooled together with other staff and redistributed to non-tip workers like busboys or hostesses?

How does it work for wages and income tax withholding? I know waitresses and waiters are paid less than minimum wage due to tipping. Do they normally claim just enough in tips to meet minimum wage, or do they have to claim all the tips?

I normally tip around 20% and then round up to the next dollar.
 
I've never done waitressing, but I drove a taxicab in Cleveland in 1974 and received tips. I know I didn't claim any of the tip money as income, but I only made about $1200 that year and was still a dependent. My tips were mostly a few dollars above the fare, but sometimes I was also given garden vegetables!

I'm curious about how tipping works in a restaurant. If I add a tip to the bill that is paid with a credit card, does the waitress receive the full tip?

That was my experience.

Or do they deduct something for the credit card fee paid by the restaurant?
No.

If I leave cash on the table and the table is cleared by a busboy, do they share the tip?
It varies.

Does each waitress or waiter keep all their own tips? Or do they have to be pooled together with other staff and redistributed to non-tip workers like busboys or hostesses?
Varies by location.

How does it work for wages and income tax withholding? I know waitresses and waiters are paid less than minimum wage due to tipping. Do they normally claim just enough in tips to meet minimum wage, or do they have to claim all the tips?
IRS assumes a certain percent; most folks probably don't report anything above that.

I normally tip around 20% and then round up to the next dollar.
As a former waitron, I thank you.
 
Tipping seems very American to me. It:

When I was travelling overseas I would often notice that waitstaff is much slower in places where tipping is not the custom.
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I was just in Japan where tipping isn't the custom. Granted, I was mostly frequenting top rate establishments, but I thought the service was very good everywhere I went.
 
Someone tell me now what amount one "should" tip caterers (and WHO should get the tips.. the manager?.. the crew chief on-site? the individuals?) just in case this ever happens again.

This is why I hate tipping!


Me too , I hate not knowing I was supposed to tip . I never tipped workmen . I had no idea it was expected . I do tip delivery guys but I think it's bull s--- . They get paid for their jobs . We just returned from a weekend trip and we stayed in a condo . In the condo their was an envelope with the maids names on it . These condos are owned and rented out by the owners . Why should I pay for their cleaning ladies ?
 
I was just in Japan where tipping isn't the custom. Granted, I was mostly frequenting top rate establishments, but I thought the service was very good everywhere I went.

I don't frequent top rated places but certainly you have to have good service to be top rated. I find the service is especially bad in lower cost establishments that don't have tips and are geared towards tourists.

I suppose this is one good reason why tourist-oriented places often have tipping customs even in coutries where tipping is not the norm for locals. Especially for places that get visitors from tourists being referred by local service industry workers. These places don't have to establish a reputation among locals or repeat visitors. But if the local tourism bureau establishes a tipping custom there, then the businesses know they have to provide decent service. Customers get service, businesses get tips, and the area gets more visitors.
 
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