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Old 10-07-2014, 03:47 PM   #61
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Tough group here. I subscribe to the law of circulation. Money flows both ways, hold on too tightly to the nickel, and the dollar may just pass on by.
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Old 10-07-2014, 04:17 PM   #62
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Tough group here. I subscribe to the law of circulation. Money flows both ways, hold on too tightly to the nickel, and the dollar may just pass on by.
It's not about 'hanging on too tightly to the nickel', at least for me.

It's about letting the hotel manager to monitor their employees performance, determine who gets paid what, and include that in my bill. It's their job, not mine to determine compensation. I'm on vacation or business, I've got enough to occupy me w/o doing their job as well.

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Old 10-09-2014, 08:30 PM   #63
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Tough group here. I subscribe to the law of circulation. Money flows both ways, hold on too tightly to the nickel, and the dollar may just pass on by.
Numerous studies have demonstrated that giving substantially increases happiness and general contentment. That has certainly been true in my own experience, and I am pleased to donate time and money to several registered charities that provide direct support to the less fortunate.

For me, being guilted into subsidizing a multi-national corporation's employment costs does not fall within the same category. YMMV.
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Old 10-10-2014, 07:39 AM   #64
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These hotel feedback systems set up an interesting dynamic. The scores matter a LOT to the managers--maybe too much. One of the folks I travel with is no longer welcome at a particular hotel (the one we all prefer) because he dinged the management pretty hard for a little issue. The manager would rather not have him as a guest (and risk another bad survey). The scoring system has now created a situation where the manager's interests (getting very favorable survey responses) are no longer aligned with the hotel owner's (more revenue/profit). Maybe this is worth something at the front desk: "I know I don't have a reservation. I'm prepared to fill out a very favorable guest survey if you can find a room for me tonight in this fine hotel for $90"
I don't fill out those surveys. If they want to start offering me 500 points in the loyalty program in return, or make the results publicly available, I might. I do put a review on TripAdvisor.com for nearly every place I stay. I find that worth my while because I'm providing information real people can use and because I'm contributing to a site that's helped me find a lot of great hotels in unfamiliar places.

Our favorite tipping story: DH and I landed in Zagreb after a long trip from the Midwest US. We'd already been through the wringer; the first hotel had no hot water, which was a dealbreaker for us, but at my request they sent us over to another hotel in the chain (both were Sheraton) even paying for the taxi. Still, we were wiped out. And of course we woke up at midnight, jet-lagged and hungry. DH went out looking for a place that might be open; there was nothing. We called Room Service and ordered a couple of hamburgers and some fries. They were heavenly, and I'm not usually into hamburgers and fries. DH miscalculated the tip and I think he gave the room service waitress about 50% of the bill as a tip. We cheerfully decided it was worth it.
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I agree it's a tough, nasty job. So wouldn't it be better if instead of a variable source of income like tips (clearly, many of us don't tip at all), the hotel paid them $X/hour, and eliminated the variability from tips? When you are already at a low wage, variability is a very bad thing.

Eliminate the tipping, and increase their wages - that should be a good thing, no?

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That would be nice but I doubt they will ever pay housekeeping staff to make up for the cr&p they put up with. I always tip them and feel exceptionally guilty when I forget to do that.
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I'm fatigued by the jars and do not ever participate with them. When I'm on vacation, I like to give the house keeping staff a surprise (as long as the room is in good shape). It just makes my day, and hope it makes theirs. Sounds like it may not be typical so it should be a surprise.

Usually just $2. When in Canada, Toonies work great for this purpose.

BTW, stayed at a Fairfield last week and saw nothing about tipping. If Marriott is pushing this, shame on them. I still did it because the place was clean and everything in the room was in order... although I thought about holding back after hearing about this controversy.
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I doubt they will ever pay housekeeping staff to make up for the cr&p they put up with.
What "crap" do they have to put up with?

All they have to do is clean the room. They don't even have to deal with customers. They just have to make the bed, clean the toilet, maybe vacuum... what's the big hardship? I do all of those things in my OWN home, and not only do I not get tipped, I don't even get PAID AT ALL!

I can understand sympathy for the poor girl earning $2.15/hr dealing with obnoxious, complainy pr*cks at TGIFridays, but why all the "woe-is-them" for the housekeeping staff earning $10/hr for doing the same stuff we all do ourselves in our own homes for free?
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Usually just $2. When in Canada, Toonies work great for this purpose.
When I >do< leave a tip in Europe (I know, I know . . .) it is easy to get fooled by the coins. Pull two US-quarter-sized coins out of my pocket and it feels/looks like I'm leaving about four bits (about right as a tip for a cup of coffee at the airport . . .). Uh-let's see: Oh, that's two 2-euro coins = about five bucks! The coffee was good, but . . .
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Stayed in a Fairfield in June, no envelope.

There is another positive aspect for some tipping. The other night after a 700 mile drive we stopped in a Sonic 2 miles from home. We were both tired, exhausted, and hungry. I gave the hop $10.00 for a $7.80 bill, the look on her face was incredible. My DW mentioned I made the girls day(most folks don't tip at this sonic). Yes, so much gratitude for 2 bucks, made my day too.



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It should be noted that at the brand name hotels they charge more in general, including in many cases an internet fee. Plus the exit side hotels tend to have fridges and microwaves, no mini bars. (I have notice in some towns that such motels are often located near a super WalMart.
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What "crap" do they have to put up with?

All they have to do is clean the room. They don't even have to deal with customers. They just have to make the bed, clean the toilet, maybe vacuum... what's the big hardship? I do all of those things in my OWN home, and not only do I not get tipped, I don't even get PAID AT ALL!

I can understand sympathy for the poor girl earning $2.15/hr dealing with obnoxious, complainy pr*cks at TGIFridays, but why all the "woe-is-them" for the housekeeping staff earning $10/hr for doing the same stuff we all do ourselves in our own homes for free?
Seriously? I'll try to keep this clean.

Cleaning staff get blamed for everything. Lost watches, missing pills, change you name it.
One guy I traveled with didn't know what a bidet was, I'll leave the rest to the readers imagination.

Many Marriotts(and other big names) I've stayed at around the world were the worst places to sleep. A lot of late night 'entertainment' from a few business people. This happened frequently at big trade shows. I wouldn't cleap up that mess for $100.00 an hour, with a hazmat suit provided for me.
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