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Old 11-24-2012, 03:24 PM   #41
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Storing, Handling and Spoilage of Liqueurs
"There is a second class of liqueurs that bears some consideration - cream liqueurs and egg liqueurs. Despite alcohol's great disinfectant properties, every liqueur book I've ever read cautions people against trying to keep cream or egg liqueurs for more than a few weeks to a month, and then only in the refrigerator. I'm forced to make the same recommendation. Even with the alcohol, treat it like fresh milk or fresh eggs. If you would throw out milk that had been in your fridge for that long, you should throw out your liqueurs. So these should be made immediately before they are to be consumed. It is perhaps possible to keep cream liqueurs longer, but in order to experimentally determine how long they can last, I would be required to, on at least one occasion, consume spoiled cream or egg liqueur. And that I have no strong urge to do.
Again, commercial liqueurs last considerably longer. Eierlikör and Bailey's Irish Cream both have much longer shelf life than four weeks. But it is because they know what they're doing that they can get long shelf lives. As long as we're just puttering in our kitchens, we should be a good bit more careful."
"Every book I've ever read"?

That's his rational scientific basis for his professional recommendation?!?

There would seem to be relatively straightforward tests for determining whether cream or egg substances are spoiled, and I suspect that those tests could be applied to other substances like Bailey's Irish Cream.

I'm surprised that Bailey's (and others) haven't put labels on their bottles like "Will survive the Zombie Apocalypse AND the Mayan Calendar without refrigeration".
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Old 11-24-2012, 03:58 PM   #42
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Baileys shelf life

Baileys is the only cream liqueur that guarantees its taste for 2 years from the day it was made, opened or unopened, stored in the fridge or not when stored away from direct sunlight at a temperature range of 0-25 degrees centigrade.....

Under normal conditions of storage Baileys has a shelf-life of 24 months.

If you are concerned about a bottle of Baileys please check the Best Taste Before date on the bottle - all bottles carry a Best Taste Before date. This number is located on the bottom left hand side of the back label....

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Baileys shelf life

Baileys is the only cream liqueur that guarantees its taste for 2 years from the day it was made, opened or unopened, stored in the fridge or not when stored away from direct sunlight at a temperature range of 0-25 degrees centigrade.....

Under normal conditions of storage Baileys has a shelf-life of 24 months.

If you are concerned about a bottle of Baileys please check the Best Taste Before date on the bottle - all bottles carry a Best Taste Before date. This number is located on the bottom left hand side of the back label....

I got a gallon bottle of Baileys for Christmas last year and I have been wondering about how long it will last. Thanks for the info. At the rate I have been drinking it, the bottle should last longer than I do.
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I got a gallon bottle of Baileys for Christmas last year and I have been wondering about how long it will last. Thanks for the info. At the rate I have been drinking it, the bottle should last longer than I do.
Well, you'd better speed up your consumption then!
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I wonder what pathogens start growing after the "Best Taste Before" date... and how we'd be able to tell!

I suspect Baileys would outlast a Twinkie, but I'm not sure that I'd survive the research.
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I do not care about the other bottles, but the ones I highlighted above in red, as far as I am concerned, pouring them down the drain is a capital offense.
OK, I don't know how he did it but NW Bound highlighted VSOP in red (even though it doesn't show up in the quote above). So, I am drinking it knkow as weede speek (just kidding here). Anyhow, turns out the bottle had been opened and I don't recall opening it. Note to redduck: keep a closer on eye on the wife and the pool man. Further note to redduck: we don't have a pool. Anyhow, the box the bottle it came in states it's a "very fine cognac." And, apparently it was bottled in 1715 as that is the date on the box. Was that a good year for cognac?
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Garden of Allah is gone. There is a restaurant "XIV" or something close to that name that is there now. (Wow, what a terrible sentence, must be the 1715 VSOP cognac kicking in). I drive through that intersection four days a week. (Guess why)? OK, so there's a restaurant and a Chevron Station (got gas there just today). (Should that have gone into the "What did you do today" forum)? There's a large strip mall and and the Sunset 5 Mall, which houses the "Crunch" gym. Crunch is just a little bit of heaven. Actually, it might be all of heaven. I mean the women really are beautiful and the guys are better looking than the women. And, somehow, there I was...
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I just tossed a 30+ year old bottle of Angostura bitters--bet we could have whipped up a batch of (appropriately enough ) Old Fashioneds with some of the hard liquor you likely tossed.
I'm guessing HFWR is going through our garbage right now. HFWR, to speed this up, try first looking in the big blue (recyclable) bin. (Happy, Nords)?
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Looking at the last four posts (not including this one) might be a great example of getting your (my) ducks in a row.
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I've seen different brands of cream liquors either:
Turn completely solid
Turn chunky
Curdle when added to coffee

I've been the recipient of many bottles when people clean out their liquor cabinets, and I don't bother with trying to save Bailey's any more.
My home goal is to replace all the milk based liquors on a yearly basis.
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I've seen different brands of cream liquors either:
Turn completely solid
OK, good point-- when you have to drink it with a fork & knife, it's probably past its "Best by:" date...

But you know that somewhere, someone is wondering when Baileys is going to sell a pre-solidified product.
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I think there are only 2 times I can remember when I threw away good alcoholic drinks - once is a bottle of Bailey's I bought at the airport and at that time I did not know that they come with an expiry date on the bottle. It was at least one year past its expiration date when I intended to drink it. The second time was a bottle of sake - I had 2 cups and got an immediete headache. I then decided to pour the contents down the basin.

If you have nothing strong against other people drinking alcohol (at moderate amounts), why not give them away (esp cognac and whiskey) rather than pour down the drain. Can't say about wine or champagne because if they are not kept in good conditions, best not give them away. The drain maybe would be a safer choice.
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Even if a bottle does not meet your taste for drinking, try to soak raisins (or dried plums or other dried fruit) in the alcoholic stuff for at least one week.
Wine will not work, but anything stronger than that, like port, sherry, brandy does.
Then use the raisins in cakes, brownies and other goodies.
Or spread a spoonful over your ice cream.

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Even if a bottle does not meet your taste for drinking, try to soak raisins (or dried plums prunes or other dried fruit) in the alcoholic stuff for at least one week.
Wine will not work, but anything stronger than that, like port, sherry, brandy does.
Then use the raisins in cakes, brownies and other goodies.
Or spread a spoonful over your ice cream.

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Just rediscovered this thread with new posts after my participation. All right! Lots of merry drinkers here!

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That sure is purty!
As I noted in the post, I linked that photo from Wikipedia to show the right glassware for cognac sipping. But now that I have more time to take my own photo, I think mine is "purtier". I mean the glass, not my hand in the following photo.

The bottle in the photo is a Remy Martin XO. It is unopened. And I discovered two more Camus XO bottles in the cabinet. My wife truly loves me! As I do not drink that much, these bottles will last me a while. My wife got me two sets of cognac glasses (she does not even drink wine, let alone 80-proof real stuff), but I am too scroogy to pour XO for so many guests.




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I don't do after dinner sipping of my cognac, I only use it for cooking. But I do admit to sipping the cognac after soaking raisins in it for my apple strudel.

For the cooks out there: we don't drink white wine but I have several favorite recipes that call for it (a dry white). I have found dry vermouth to be an excellent alternative. It doesn't have to be refrigerated and keeps in the pantry a long time and has a convenient screw cap. And it never gives any funky "off" flavors that some whites seem contribute.
This reminded me of a bottle of Marsala I had for a while since I last made chicken marsala. Recently remembered it, and made pork marsala with a 4-yr old opened bottle. Did not taste anything funny, though my palate is admittedly not that fine.

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OK, I don't know how he did it but NW Bound highlighted VSOP in red (even though it doesn't show up in the quote above). So, I am drinking it knkow as weede speek (just kidding here). Anyhow, turns out the bottle had been opened and I don't recall opening it. Note to redduck: keep a closer on eye on the wife and the pool man. Further note to redduck: we don't have a pool. Anyhow, the box the bottle it came in states it's a "very fine cognac." And, apparently it was bottled in 1715 as that is the date on the box. Was that a good year for cognac?
Sorry, but I don't think cognac can be aged that long in the barrel. I think about 40 to 50 years is about the max, before all the alcohol seeps out and leaves the liquor watery. Still, the year of 1715 is on the label, so I did some research. It was the year Martell, the maker of your cognac, went into business.

By the way, I have drunk Martell, Courvoisier, Hennessy, Remy Martin, and perhaps a few other French cognacs. They all taste fine, and in a blind test, I may not be able to pick one from the other. Once in an A/B test, my brothers and I tasted the bottles of a same brand, one a VSOP and the other the XO grade. We were able to tell that the XO was "smoother". Was it worth the money? Well, that all depends on the stock market performance of course.

Years ago, I bought a bottle of American brandy, and did not like it. Recently, bought a bottle, and found that it was getting better. Or was it that my already poor palate is aging and getting even less discriminating? Ah, this retiree is living cheaper and cheaper, just like Bernicke's spending model.

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