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01-18-2020, 08:34 PM
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KC did it to get workers downtown so they can collect the earnings tax.[emoji23]
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01-18-2020, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by COcheesehead
Nothing is free. Most, but not all, taxpayers understand that.
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too optimistic. some, not most.
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01-18-2020, 08:56 PM
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#23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rk911
too optimistic. some, not most.
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True
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01-18-2020, 09:39 PM
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One community nearby offered free parking and rush hour bus service to alleviate terrible traffic jams on a main arterial interstate but no one would use it. The busses travelled up and down the service road with one or two passengers throughout the AM and pm rush.
I recently noticed our little town has a senior citizen transportation service that is door to door service anywhere within town limits for $30/yr.
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01-19-2020, 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by davebarnes
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That's great to know. 14 of us are heading there for a ski vacation on 2/15-2/22. Some of us are skiing WildCat in NH today. I'll do some research as the free transport could be handy.
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01-19-2020, 05:35 AM
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Our Public Transit system (THE BUS) is very expensive. I've seen estimates (years back) that each ride costs the system over $5.00. BUT "cost" to most riders (single use) is (IIRC) $2.75. For that fare, you can travel virtually around the Island. Also, seniors can purchase a yearly pass (unlimited rides) for (IIRC) $35. It ain't quite free but cost to riders is very much subsidized - especially for seniors. YMMV
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01-19-2020, 05:51 AM
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There is a free bus to/from CC Phila to the shipyard. There are no requirements.
The senior rates all over the area are pretty attractive, but exclude rush hour.
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01-19-2020, 06:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nancyfrank232
I live in a place with free healthcare.
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Not free, look at your taxes, unless your income is so low you do not pay them.
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01-19-2020, 06:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nancyfrank232
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It's not free, though. Taxes on the citizens support the single payer system. But we would not mind it at all.
It might mean your other services cost more, too.
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01-19-2020, 07:11 AM
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Must every discussion devolve into us v. them?
It’s terrible that we have to pay taxes, and that some of it might help a poor soul get across town on a bus...
Though I must agree that nothing is “free”, so let’s call it “subsidized”, or, something a kindergartner would understand, “sharing”.
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01-19-2020, 08:49 AM
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Problem in KC is it generally takes an hour or so to get anyplace via bus. I know many people I work with have looked into it along with hearing about people traveling to the area with the same complaints. In addition KC has a 1% city earning tax for everybody that works in KC or lives in KC pays.
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01-19-2020, 10:29 AM
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Would be nice for senior years. I rode the bus for three years to work and back. The price went up fifty cents a ride in my case seven miles each way. They were running a huge deficit and after looking at the numbers they had published it seemed only a few of us were paying to ride it. Everyone else was riding free for one reason or another. It was cheaper for me to drive after that.
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01-19-2020, 10:43 AM
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Interesting idea, given that farebox recovery is woeful for most public transit. Make it free and save the trouble and cost of collecting fares.
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01-19-2020, 11:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrayHare
Interesting idea, given that farebox recovery is woeful for most public transit. Make it free and save the trouble and cost of collecting fares.
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My former employers fare box recovery was 23% with a base fare of $2.75.
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01-19-2020, 12:05 PM
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Staten Island Ferry is my personal favorite!
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01-19-2020, 12:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HFWR
Must every discussion devolve into us v. them?
It’s terrible that we have to pay taxes, and that some of it might help a poor soul get across town on a bus...
Though I must agree that nothing is “free”, so let’s call it “subsidized”, or, something a kindergartner would understand, “sharing”.
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"Sharing" is a very nice word. I do it often. Sharing is when I see a need and attempt to meet it because I WANT to meet a need. My single biggest retirement budget item is sharing (some call it charity - and NO, much of my sharing is NOT tax deductible.) But when someone else decides with whom I MUST share, then I no longer call it sharing. I can think of a number of words to describe the process, but "sharing" isn't one of them. I'm not saying it's necessarily "wrong" to subsidize something. I'm just saying it is NOT sharing in the traditional sense of that word. Kindergartners may know what sharing is but understanding subsidy is a bit more complicated. It comes up here quite regularly and we never agree completely on WHAT should be subsidized. Discussing public policy (such as subsidies) can bring on Porky, but I just want to correct the record a bit. "Free" isn't free and subsidy is NOT sharing.
Now returning you to our regularly scheduled discussion of "Free" Public Transportation since YMMV.
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01-19-2020, 01:23 PM
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In the greater Atlanta area, we share the gridlock.
No need for subsidies.
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01-19-2020, 04:00 PM
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Location: Western NC
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free public transportation often morphs into mobile homeless shelter
but look at it from their perspective...one of safest places they could be
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01-19-2020, 06:32 PM
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OP here, I am surprised at the very negative comments on this thread. Personally I think free public transportation is a great way to reduce traffic, reduce parking problems, help seniors, the handicapped and low income people and reduce pollution (especially if electric buses are used). I can't understand all the negativity. The free bus system where I live is very popular, I have never heard any one say they want to do away with it.
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01-19-2020, 06:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harllee
OP here, I am surprised at the very negative comments on this thread. Personally I think free public transportation is a great way to reduce traffic, reduce parking problems, help seniors, the handicapped and low income people and reduce pollution (especially if electric buses are used). I can't understand all the negativity. The free bus system where I live is very popular, I have never heard any one say they want to do away with it.
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I have to agree! My kiddo attends UNC Chapel Hill and we greatly appreciate the public transportation, not just for him, but for the occasions we’ve used it when visiting. It really makes a positive difference in a college town for sure... especially since parking near the University can be difficult.
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