University of Florida student tasered at John Kerry Talk....

[lets-retire]

Bigritchie-- I waited to see if you would post again before replying, just to see if you were trollin. You are absolutely correct if a person is being unlawfully arrested the courts have rule the have a right to fight. With that said many officer's spend hours learning the niggling little obscure laws to use for probable cause for all sorts of things. It is these out of the way laws that wind up getting people into trouble. If someone decides to fight because they, believe they are being illegally detained or arrested and in fact it is perfectly lawful all that happens is that person will be charged with more violations and possibly be hurt in the struggle.

I sat through enough prosecuting attorney investigations and had to explain the obscure laws used on the street enough to realize the lawyers don't know all of the laws and neither to officer's. However the officer's know the ones that will work and are pertinent to their jobs.

 

[Htown Harry]

That kid should start a t-shirt/bumper sticker line that says "Don't taze me Bro!", he could make a fortune.

Too late:
Busted Tees - Jokes you can wear! Funny T-Shirts!

 

[chinaco]

Too late:
Busted Tees - Jokes you can wear! Funny T-Shirts!

That didn't take long.

 

[lets-retire]

University of Florida cops cleared in use of Taser on student
Wednesday, October 24, 2007
Associated Press

GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- University of Florida police were justified in using a Taser against a student who refused to stop questioning Sen. John Kerry on campus last month, according to a state investigation released Wednesday.

Some had questioned the use of force in using the stun gun against student Andrew Meyer, leading to the investigation by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. A summary of the agency's report was released Wednesday.

"In short, the FDLE determined that our officers acted well within state guidelines," university President Bernie Machen said in a letter to students, faculty and staff.

Two officers who were placed on administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation were reinstated Wednesday, Machen said.

Rob Griscti, Meyer's attorney, said he had not yet reviewed the report and had no immediate comment. The journalism major is known for posting practical jokes online on his Web site.

The scuffle between Meyer and police started during the Sept. 17 speech by Kerry when Meyer refused to leave the microphone after his allotted time was up, police said. The videotaped altercation and Meyer's cries of "Don't Tase me bro!" were played frequently on the Internet.

The report says the officers' intent was to escort Meyer from the auditorium, but he broke away and refused to follow the officers' instructions.

"Officers decide not to escalate to hard empty hand strikes, kicks, knees or baton ... (it) would have looked like the officers were beating Meyer into submission," the report said.

The report, which has Meyer's name and that of other students blacked out, said the officers did what was necessary to control the student.

"Our purpose is, and has always been, to ensure a civil and safe environment where the many types of campus activities and open discourse can occur," said Police Chief Linda Stump.

Meyer has been charged by police for resisting an officer and disturbing the peace, but the State Attorney's Office has not yet decided whether to file formal charges.

Spencer Mann, a spokesman for the State Attorney's Office, said the decision may be made some time next week.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...DATE/710240455
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[dumpster56]

I was thinking the other day, freedom of speech really does not apply here to this idiot. He went to LISTEN to a speech by John Kerry. It is his right to disagree with the speech HOWEVER he had no right to verbally or physically for that matter interrupt his speech. He is in the audience, if he was so annoyed about the speech he should have gotten up and walked out to show his displeasure.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Newguy:

This guy was pretty obnoxious, however he certainly didn't deserve what was done to him.

 

[73ss454]

I think he needed a little jump start.

 

[justin]

Who knew listening to John Kerry drone on for 2 hours could be so shocking? He never really charged me up during the '04 elections, however now he seems to have really amped up his public speaking.

 

[Zipper]

We have had 3 deaths in Canada in the last month from tasers.

A 34 year old in London had a heart attack after being tasered. He survived but admitted being high on coke.

Apparently drunks and drug addicts and some medical conditions can be lethal if tasered.

I think our cops are becoming pussies. Maybe it's too many donuts.

If somebody is out of line then 2 big fit officers should be able to subdue.

If not then a shot of mace should make the job easier.

Tasers are not the answer.

 

[ERD50]

If not then a shot of mace should make the job easier.

Tasers are not the answer.

I think someone explained that mace would not be a good idea in a crowded auditorium, they would end up emptying the place.

Did you watch the whole video? People came there to listen to and ask Sen Kerry questions. This jerk was just there to cause a disruption and rob people of THEIR right to partake in free speech.

I hate it when people hide behind the term 'freedom of speech' to do whatever they please. I guess I'll just start robbing banks while I loudly criticize the war effort. Can't touch me, you might violate my rights.

Sure, that's silly. But no sillier than claiming 'freedom of speech' when all you want to do is disrupt a peaceful gathering. And I don't even like Kerry, but those people had a right to listen to him, and ask questions undisturbed. I'd expect the same if I went to listen to someone speak.

-ERD50

 

[73ss454]

Zipper, do you think that everytime a cop runs across a JA like this they should have to strong arm them or maybe get into a boxing match. The cops can't shoot him and if they hit him with their batton that would be wrong.

The guy was given an order and did not do what he was told so ZAP game over.

 

[Zipper]

Yes, and too many times it is, "game over".

 

[73ss454]

Yes, and too many times it is, "game over".

Are you also considering how many cops are killed by idiots like this every year. It's real simple, do what your told and you won't get zapped.

 

[youbet]

There will always be some criminals that are bigger/stronger/tougher/faster than the cop trying to subdue them. Therefore cops will always need some tools to help. Whether that tool is a taser, mace or baton, the criminal is going to be in harm's way.

I'm always disappointed when I hear of cases of police using excessive force. On the other hand, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often given the dangerous looney tunes they have to deal with.

 

[Nords]

I think our cops are becoming pussies. Maybe it's too many donuts.
If somebody is out of line then 2 big fit officers should be able to subdue.

Zipper, I'd like to invite you and two big fit officer buddies of your choice to come on down to our dojang on sparring night. I have a 5'2" 90-pound friend who'll bring all three of you to your knees without mussing her hair. But she knows better than to go up against a taser or a firearm.

I think the cops made the right choice by not engaging in some sort of testosterone-poisoned battle of attrition.

 

[clifp]

University of Florida cops cleared in use of Taser on student
Wednesday, October 24, 2007
Associated Press

GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- University of Florida police were justified in using a Taser against a student who refused to stop questioning Sen. John Kerry on campus last month, according to a state investigation released Wednesday.

Good. I am so sick of obnoxious jerks demanding special attention and then screaming "I demand to see the Boss, police brutality, nazi thugs, racist bastards, incompetent thugs, , I'll sue you butt etc.

Forget this guys rights, what about the rights of the people who didn't get to ask question? What makes this jerk so special that thinks he can take 3 minutes giving a speech, then ask a question, not even wait for the answer, and then demand the right to ask two more questions?

There several hundred people at the speech, and US senator and former nominee for President of the US. He just waste 10 minutes of their lives. Put two deputies on administrative leave for more than a month and undoubtable cost them to lose sleep. He cost thousands of tax payer dollars in hearings and reports. All for his self-centered childish behavior. If I had been there I would have Tsarize him everytime he open his mouth.

Police brutality what a crock, go visit a place like China, Iraq, Russia, Cambodia, Vietnam or probably 50 other countries.

 

[lets-retire]

Sorry all. I didn't mean to start the debate all over. I thouhgt a few on here would be interested to know the final outcome of the situation.

 

[Zipper]

Zipper, I'd like to invite you and two big fit officer buddies of your choice to come on down to our dojang on sparring night. I have a 5'2" 90-pound friend who'll bring all three of you to your knees without mussing her hair. But she knows better than to go up against a taser or a firearm.

I think the cops made the right choice by not engaging in some sort of testosterone-poisoned battle of attrition.

That's easy for you to say.

My brother and I would flatten her in 2 seconds.

 

[travelover]

Sorry all. I didn't mean to start the debate all over. I thouhgt a few on here would be interested to know the final outcome of the situation.

Too late..........

 

[laurence]

That's easy for you to say.

My brother and I would flatten her in 2 seconds.

I'm not sure how to take this comment. You and your brother would jump a 90 pound woman 2 on 1 to prove your manhood? Or maybe that no amount of martial arts training can overcome size?

Were you aware that an errant blow to the larynx has killed many people in what was just a "good 'ol fist fight" among the boys?

How in the world can you think cops mixing it up with civilians in a fist fight is the right way to go? You're not tapping the Molsen already, are you?

There was a recent study on Tazers that found them one of the safest ways to subdue a suspect.

 

[lets-retire]

I'm not sure how to take this comment. You and your brother would jump a 90 pound woman 2 on 1 to prove your manhood? Or maybe that no amount of martial arts training can overcome size?

Were you aware that an errant blow to the larynx has killed many people in what was just a "good 'ol fist fight" among the boys?

How in the world can you think cops mixing it up with civilians in a fist fight is the right way to go? You're not tapping the Molsen already, are you?

There was a recent study on Tazers that found them one of the safest ways to subdue a suspect.

For everyone involved