Vanguard Diehards-- dot org!

Nords · 02-20-2007, 03:02 PM

It's with great pleasure, and thanks to BigMoneyJim's watchful vigilance, that I'd like to announce it's safe to go back to the Vanguard Diehards discussion board.

What's left of it. This action was inspired by a mutiny, not by M*'s alleged moderators. A bunch of the newer DHs have deserted for another board of their own.

http://diehardsforum.org/index.php

I have to admit, though, I've found a home over here that I never had over at M*. And those ads sure are annoying...

cube_rat · 02-20-2007, 03:13 PM

er, okay I'll bite..who's M*?

unclemick · 02-20-2007, 03:18 PM

What to do, what to do.

Always lurked at M - too cheap to pony up the five bucks. Been a Bogle fan pushing three decades.

Signed up for the new forum(free) when they started jumping ship due to H#^!s.

Now he's been zapped. So what happens to the new forum??

heh heh heh - alas - like that line from Renecks, Whitesocks and Blueribbon Beer - 'there's no place I'd rather be than right here'. But a free vote for Boglehead's ? - Yeah You Right!

justin · 02-20-2007, 03:24 PM

I've been a lurker at the diehards board in the past. I might join the new forum since the price is right.

cube_rat · 02-20-2007, 03:29 PM

who's M*

??

unclemick · 02-20-2007, 03:33 PM

Morningstar.

Vanguard Diehards is one of the forums they host.

Others can post more - I'm only a rookie lurker. Morningstar has a long and illustrious history.

heh heh heh

**REWahoo** · 02-20-2007, 03:37 PM

http://socialize.morningstar.com/New...mId=F100000015

DRiP Guy · 02-20-2007, 03:38 PM

I have lurked for a while on M*, and just as an FYI, using the combo of Firefox, Adblock and Flashblock, all I see after a few initial clicks month ago, is nice clean text every visit -- no ads at all.

samclem · 02-20-2007, 05:08 PM

I've enjoyed the Vanguard Diehards board at Morningstar for many years, though I haven't posted often. I wonder if maybe the moderators tolerated H&%*s because he generated a lot of activity--which made their site numbers look better.

FIRE'd@51 · 02-20-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by samclem

I wonder if maybe the moderators tolerated H&%*s because he generated a lot of activity--which made their site numbers look better.

For those of us that are relative newcomers to this forum, could you give us a little color on H&%*s? Who is he/she? Why is he/she so hated? etc. etc.

cube_rat · 02-20-2007, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIRE'd@51

For those of us that are relative newcomers to this forum, could you give us a little color on H&%*s? Who is he/she? Why is he/she so hated? etc. etc.

Yeah! Who is this h-o-c-u-s dude/ette?

d · 02-20-2007, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Who is this h-o-c-u-s dude/ette?

well that's a very long story ...

cube_rat · 02-20-2007, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d

well that's a very long story ...

Wow! I just googled h-o-c-u-s and finance and found a ton of information.

TromboneAl · 02-20-2007, 06:11 PM

I remember there was some weird guy that posted on that forum who always talked in the third person. Can't remember his logon name though. Anyone remember?

DRiP Guy · 02-20-2007, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cube_rat

Wow! I just googled h-o-c-u-s and finance and found a ton of information.

That is all it takes. This link already did the heavy lifting for you quite some time ago.

http://www.s152957355.onlinehome.us/...m=1165286433/1

sgeeeee · 02-20-2007, 06:27 PM

h-o-c-u-s is not just an internet troll, he is THE internet troll. He often claims to be the creator of the financial freedom community. This ficticious community is comprised of several internet retirement boards: 1) The Motley Fool Early Retirement Board, 2) The NoFees Board, 3) Raddr's Early Retirement Board, and 4) This Board. Recently he began posting on M* Diehards board because he has been permanently banned from all of the other above mentioned boards.

He fancies himself a financial advisor but admits that he "is not a numbers guy". He is certain that all previously published studies on Safe Withdrawal Rate (SWR) are wrong, but refuses to say what the right answer is. His behavior on internet boards involves making outrageous claims, misrepresenting what others say, criticizing retirement board icons like Bogle and Bernstein, refusing to answer direct questions or engage in meaningful debate while still writing a plethora of 20 paragraph rants. He is especially critical of John Greaney, operator of a special board who's sole purpose is to contain hocomania.

He recently published a Vanity Press Book title "Passion Saving" and sells it through his internet site.

His most recent banning at M* resulted when he insisted that he be allowed to attend an annual event where Diehards honor Jack Bogle so that he could question Bogle about his investment theories.

A quick google search of h o c u s or hocomania will produce more information than anyone really wants to know.

maddythebeagle · 02-20-2007, 06:34 PM

The other board (intercst's) has a whole section devoted to him....I think it is his life's passion to spar with this clown....http://www.s152957355.onlinehome.us/....pl?board=HOCO

Nords · 02-20-2007, 07:08 PM

I wasn't a member of NFB, but I think he's one of the primary reasons that NFB shut down. And he came too darn close to driving away the old-timers of this discussion board.

This board's software removes banned posters from the Members List... for some reason they become nonpersons even though all their posts are still in the database.

However if you use the "Advanced Search" option of the "Search" feature to look for a common keyword by that user name, then their posts will pop up. Clicking on one of their posts gives you access to their user name & profile. When you click on that user name, at the bottom of the profile screen is a link titled "Show the last posts of this person" that you can click for a list of all their posts.

Be aware that doing the above for H0cus' posts means that you've just trolled yourself. It's 586 separate instances of someone who claims to understand the English language using vocabulary that's totally devoid of all semantic meaning and mathematical comprehension. He doesn't post here anymore and hopefully he never will, but if you decide you want to communicate with him there are plenty of other places he can be found.

EDIT: Well, that kludge works, but, duh, I guess we could also go to the "Members List" link at the bottom of the main page and then use the "Search for Members" link from there: http://early-retirement.org/forums/i...list;sa=search

rs0460a · 02-20-2007, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TromboneAl

I remember there was some weird guy that posted on that forum who always talked in the third person. Can't remember his logon name though. Anyone remember?

Munchkin Man, Hombre Munchkin, Munchie, etc. etc. etc....

His "scheme" is/was penny stocks, if I remember...

- Ron

Sheryl · 02-20-2007, 07:23 PM

I came on this board just as he was being run out on a rail leaving. Isn't he the one that went broke after 2 years of ER and then blamed everything and everyone else for the failure?

02-20-2007, 03:02 PM	#1
Nords Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oahu Posts: 15,741	Vanguard Diehards-- dot org! It's with great pleasure, and thanks to BigMoneyJim's watchful vigilance, that I'd like to announce it's safe to go back to the Vanguard Diehards discussion board. What's left of it. This action was inspired by a mutiny, not by M's alleged moderators. A bunch of the newer DHs have deserted for another board of their own. http://diehardsforum.org/index.php I have to admit, though, I've found a home over here that I never had over at M. And those ads sure are annoying... __________________ * * For more info see "About Me" in my profile.

02-20-2007, 03:13 PM	#2
cube_rat Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,466	Re: Vanguard Diehards-- dot org! er, okay I'll bite..who's M*? __________________ fuzzy? cute?

02-20-2007, 03:18 PM	#3
unclemick Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: north of Kansas City Posts: 5,557	Re: Vanguard Diehards-- dot org! What to do, what to do. Always lurked at M - too cheap to pony up the five bucks. Been a Bogle fan pushing three decades. Signed up for the new forum(free) when they started jumping ship due to H#^!s. Now he's been zapped. So what happens to the new forum?? heh heh heh - alas - like that line from Renecks, Whitesocks and Blueribbon Beer - 'there's no place I'd rather be than right here'. But a free vote for Boglehead's ? - Yeah You Right!

02-20-2007, 03:24 PM	#4
justin Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,010	Re: Vanguard Diehards-- dot org! I've been a lurker at the diehards board in the past. I might join the new forum since the price is right.

02-20-2007, 03:29 PM	#5
cube_rat Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,466	Re: Vanguard Diehards-- dot org! who's M*?? __________________ fuzzy? cute?

02-20-2007, 03:33 PM	#6
unclemick Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: north of Kansas City Posts: 5,557	Re: Vanguard Diehards-- dot org! Morningstar. Vanguard Diehards is one of the forums they host. Others can post more - I'm only a rookie lurker. Morningstar has a long and illustrious history. heh heh heh

02-20-2007, 03:37 PM	#7
REWahoo Administrator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 11,626	Re: Vanguard Diehards-- dot org! http://socialize.morningstar.com/New...mId=F100000015 __________________ [Closed for renovation]

02-20-2007, 03:38 PM	#8
DRiP Guy Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 506	Re: Vanguard Diehards-- dot org! I have lurked for a while on M*, and just as an FYI, using the combo of Firefox, Adblock and Flashblock, all I see after a few initial clicks month ago, is nice clean text every visit -- no ads at all.

02-20-2007, 05:08 PM	#9
samclem Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,020	Re: Vanguard Diehards-- dot org! I've enjoyed the Vanguard Diehards board at Morningstar for many years, though I haven't posted often. I wonder if maybe the moderators tolerated H&%*s because he generated a lot of activity--which made their site numbers look better. __________________ "Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite." - R. Heinlein

02-20-2007, 06:11 PM	#14
TromboneAl Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,167	Re: Vanguard Diehards-- dot org! I remember there was some weird guy that posted on that forum who always talked in the third person. Can't remember his logon name though. Anyone remember? __________________ - Al -- Always serious, never joking. No, wait. Never serious... Always... I forget.

02-20-2007, 06:27 PM	#16
sgeeeee Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mesa Posts: 3,588	Re: Vanguard Diehards-- dot org! h-o-c-u-s is not just an internet troll, he is THE internet troll. He often claims to be the creator of the financial freedom community. This ficticious community is comprised of several internet retirement boards: 1) The Motley Fool Early Retirement Board, 2) The NoFees Board, 3) Raddr's Early Retirement Board, and 4) This Board. Recently he began posting on M* Diehards board because he has been permanently banned from all of the other above mentioned boards. He fancies himself a financial advisor but admits that he "is not a numbers guy". He is certain that all previously published studies on Safe Withdrawal Rate (SWR) are wrong, but refuses to say what the right answer is. His behavior on internet boards involves making outrageous claims, misrepresenting what others say, criticizing retirement board icons like Bogle and Bernstein, refusing to answer direct questions or engage in meaningful debate while still writing a plethora of 20 paragraph rants. He is especially critical of John Greaney, operator of a special board who's sole purpose is to contain hocomania. He recently published a Vanity Press Book title "Passion Saving" and sells it through his internet site. His most recent banning at M* resulted when he insisted that he be allowed to attend an annual event where Diehards honor Jack Bogle so that he could question Bogle about his investment theories. A quick google search of h o c u s or hocomania will produce more information than anyone really wants to know.

02-20-2007, 06:34 PM	#17
maddythebeagle Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,440	Re: Vanguard Diehards-- dot org! The other board (intercst's) has a whole section devoted to him....I think it is his life's passion to spar with this clown....http://www.s152957355.onlinehome.us/....pl?board=HOCO __________________ - Hurry! to the cliffs of insanity!

02-20-2007, 07:08 PM	#18
Nords Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oahu Posts: 15,741	Re: Vanguard Diehards-- dot org! I wasn't a member of NFB, but I think he's one of the primary reasons that NFB shut down. And he came too darn close to driving away the old-timers of this discussion board. This board's software removes banned posters from the Members List... for some reason they become nonpersons even though all their posts are still in the database. However if you use the "Advanced Search" option of the "Search" feature to look for a common keyword by that user name, then their posts will pop up. Clicking on one of their posts gives you access to their user name & profile. When you click on that user name, at the bottom of the profile screen is a link titled "Show the last posts of this person" that you can click for a list of all their posts. Be aware that doing the above for H0cus' posts means that you've just trolled yourself. It's 586 separate instances of someone who claims to understand the English language using vocabulary that's totally devoid of all semantic meaning and mathematical comprehension. He doesn't post here anymore and hopefully he never will, but if you decide you want to communicate with him there are plenty of other places he can be found. EDIT: Well, that kludge works, but, duh, I guess we could also go to the "Members List" link at the bottom of the main page and then use the "Search for Members" link from there: http://early-retirement.org/forums/i...list;sa=search __________________ * * For more info see "About Me" in my profile.

02-20-2007, 07:23 PM	#20
Sheryl Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,461	Re: Vanguard Diehards-- dot org! I came on this board just as he was being run out on a rail leaving. Isn't he the one that went broke after 2 years of ER and then blamed everything and everyone else for the failure?