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Old 04-16-2007, 03:50 PM   #21
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If I want to own a guy, by gawd, I'll own one.
I don't think so. That's been illegal since the the 1860s.
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Re: Virginia Tech shooting and gun control
Old 04-16-2007, 03:52 PM   #22
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If I would have linked a news story about the Oklahoma bombing and stated we should outlaw fertilizer it would have been more reality and less of a stretch.
Or airplanes

See 9/11

Or automobiles

See http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/07/1...ash/index.html

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Or airplanes
See 9/11
Or automobiles
See http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/07/1...ash/index.html
Maybe not automobiles but 86 year olds.
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Or airplanes

See 9/11
Or Islamunifascists, right? C'mon, if you want to turn the USA into a Xtian theocracy, don't beat about the bush.
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One thing we can all agree on ... making guns illegal would be as effective as our current drug laws .... only those who use them illegally will find them.
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Or Islamunifascists, right?
No, I actually meant airplanes. The point is, any nutcase (Christian, Muslim, secular humanist, or fill-in-the-blank) can fly an airplane into a building.
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One of my daughter's best friends goes to Virginia Tech, so I guess that right now, there's about a 1 in 1,000 chance that she's dead.
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Old 04-16-2007, 06:51 PM   #29
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I have a bad feeling here. There is a preliminary ID of the dead shooter but we are not getting any info of this person.

Gotta wonder why info is being withheld.

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I have a bad feeling here. There is a preliminary ID of the dead shooter but we are not getting any info of this person.

Gotta wonder why info is being withheld.

Because if they make a mistake about the identity they will get sued. I'm a big one for conspiracy theories, but making sure of the identity before they release it doesn't seem like much of a conspiracy.
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Because if they make a mistake about the identity they will get sued. I'm a big one for conspiracy theories, but making sure of the identity before they release it doesn't seem like much of a conspiracy.
Gotta talk to the families first.
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Old 04-16-2007, 07:23 PM   #32
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Gotta talk to the families first.
I am talking about the shooter.

Student? From some other place?

The bomb threats last week?
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The shooter's family still needs to be notified, since he killed himself.

They also said he had no ID on him, although some students said he was of Asian descent. That doesn't narrow it down much.
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Yeah, not only do they have to tell the family he's dead...they'll have to reveal they suspect he's the gunman. Yuck for all.

As I understand it from several sources including VT's college paper, a male and female were killed in the first (dorm) building and 31 (including gunman, I suppose) were killed in the class building a couple of hours later.

I wondered about the "asian" identity, especially after seeing a photo of an asian man prone and apparently under arrest. I presume that's not the gunman because he reportedly killed himself. I then found a witness account from a shot-up classroom that said she was one of four people who walked out of the classroom after an asian man peeked into the room a couple of times as if looking for someone and then shot up the class.

So my take from what they're saying is this guy shot a boy and girl at the dorms, headed to the class building, chained some exits to prevent escape and then shot up a classroom full of people after appearing to look for someone in the class, and possibly shot a few others in the building before killing himself.

Also, the university apparently lifted a lockdown between the two shootings. I'm sure we'll hear more about that.
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The City of Chicago has a hand gun ban. Has for several (many) years. Yet just about everyday IN the City of Chicago, people are being murdered by a**holes with hand guns. The only people in Chicago that the ban has affected are the law-abiding citizens that were requested/required to turn in their hand guns. The criminal element still have and use hand guns.

Instead of banning guns, ban criminals!

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Old 04-17-2007, 02:54 AM   #36
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A one person Chinese army has some people talking about giving up our right to bear arms. I would have thought a larger invasion would have been required. No force is required to strip an American of his rights. Just scare him a little and he'll be throwing away his rights in exchange for "safety". Seems familiar. The world is watching and learning.

Ironically, one armed American could have stopped the carnage before 32 innocent Americans were slaughtered by a foreigner.
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A one person Chinese army has some people talking about giving up our right to bear arms. I would have thought a larger invasion would have been required. No force is required to strip an American of his rights. Just scare him a little and he'll be throwing away his rights in exchange for "safety". Seems familiar. The world is watching and learning.

Ironically, one armed American could have stopped the carnage before 32 innocent Americans were slaughtered by a foreigner.
I am starting to think we all need to be packing a gun. Lets get trained.

Seriously there has been a strange change over the past 40 years where men have well lost it. I mean every week there is a shooting someplace in america.
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Morbid humor: I'm sure I am going to hell for enjoying this, but a repeated refrain I saw on both Fark and Slashdot is:

"Sounds like somebody has a case of the Mondays."

If you can stomach that, then this thread at Fark may be worth reading. Some of the posters are VT students that were on or near campus as news was unfolding, and there's a gradual realization at the gravity of the situation. Of course there are also jokers posting bad jokes in bad taste, especially before it is known that there are 10+ dead.

Also, the VT campus newspaper is apparently temporarily here and seems to be more on top of the situation than many traditional media outlets.
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This guy was looking for a blood bath. A ban on assult weapons would not have helped in this case. He would have bombed a crowded building or set fire to it if he had to. I just heard that the authorities think that he is the one responsible for the previous bomb threats.
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Are you saying that a disgruntled, non-athletic kid (that is, not a Navy Seal) could kill 31 people at a school with a knife?
1, 10, 31 doesn't matter. And as far as untrained persons doing this, I have had to intervene in far too many stabbings over my years with guys who were using improvised or homemade weapons. I seen what these kids straight off the hard streets can do. And I have also witnessed the speed and alacrity with which the avergae John Q can get the hell out of Dodge rather than take an active part in subduing said maniac.

Could he have done 31? Probably not. A dozen, good chance.

Would stricter gun control have worked? No. Australia outlawed ALL guns several years ago. And their violent crime rate using guns has actually risen. Florida, on the other hand, enacted a "must issue" concealed carry law and their violent crime rate has dropped. If strict gun control laws are the answer, please explain the crime rates in CA, MA, NY, NJ, and DC; homes to the strictest gun control laws in the lands. Oh yeah, and home to the highest violent crime rates in the land too.
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