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Old 04-18-2007, 07:20 AM   #81
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Guns and bullets. What a mess. I never understood the facination with guys wanting to use guns for enjoyment.

I just don 't get it. To each his own its americav
It's probably the same as the entertainment value of opera, or watching soccer on tv, or knitting a sweater. I just don't understand it. Each person is different. Shooting a firearm takes skill, patiences and a lot of practice to do it well. The same as the other activities I listed. Just for the record I don't shoot for the entertainment value. I shoot to increase my skill and accuracy, with the thought that I might need to use it someday to defend myself. That takes any entertainment out of shooting.
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Old 04-18-2007, 07:23 AM   #82
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"What is so different when a drive by shooter kills two kids going home from high school in Newark?? That never gets any press nationally."

What is so different between this and the 40,000 to 50,000 each year killed on the highways? What about the 100,000 dead annually from medical mistakes?

It's the media, sweetheart, the media.

They are the engineers in these trainwrecks. Fan the flames, spike public attention, pretend there is an easy answer, feed the mob. Then pretend that all their obsessive focus doesn't cause more copycat incidents like this than the guns that get the attention.

And the sheep run this way and that, at their bidding.

Run, sheep run!

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What's "dangerous" is a society that entertains its boys and young men with violent TV, movies, Internet, games, and violent pornography day in and day out. What's also "dangerous" is the social acceptance of this "entertainment." The easy access to weapons is just icing on the cake.
What's sad is that kids can't just go outside and "play"; they must constantly be "entertained"...
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I don't think any responsible gun owner has anything to fear from gun control. Would that end the kinds of incidents we saw? No, just as licensing drivers does not end car fatalities. But they are a lot less than if we didn't license drivers at all. Gun control would reduce these incidents, and would save lives.
Wow, I don't even know what to say. Sort of like, "we're from the government, and we're here to help"
Gun owners have EVERYTHING to fear from gun control. What they try to do is slowly erode you rights. They start with only the "bad" guns and work their way up from there. First it's "assault weapons" whatever that means, then it's autoloading shotguns, then it's handguns, and on and on.

They say "well, we only want the nasty military style weapons, don't worry about your hunting rifle" The funny truth is that in all honesty, my hunting rifle is the most deadly gun I own. I can punch holes through a car door, wood blocks, whatever at 400+ yards. With my handguns I'm luck to hit the target at 50 yards. For the left it's all about feeling good, not really making a difference.
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Wow, I don't even know what to say. Sort of like, "we're from the government, and we're here to help"
Gun owners have EVERYTHING to fear from gun control. What they try to do is slowly erode you rights. They start with only the "bad" guns and work their way up from there. First it's "assault weapons" whatever that means, then it's autoloading shotguns, then it's handguns, and on and on.

They say "well, we only want the nasty military style weapons, don't worry about your hunting rifle" The funny truth is that in all honesty, my hunting rifle is the most deadly gun I own. I can punch holes through a car door, wood blocks, whatever at 400+ yards. With my handguns I'm luck to hit the target at 50 yards. For the left it's all about feeling good, not really making a difference.
You know there is no difference between guns and any other dangerous thing that the society needs to regulate.
Bombs are not usually allowed.
You can't put any kind of vehicules on the highway: they are regulated.
You can't throw chemicals into the water system.

All are limitations on our freedom by the government... I mean us... remember: government of/by/for the people.
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its not just a guy thing. my wife and i both shoot competitively on a team.
How does the team feel about being shot on ?
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It's clear from many of the replies on this thread that gun control can't be intelligently discusssed, so there is even less hope for enlightened gun laws or gun control in this country. So, I guess we will continue to live and die with our paranoia. I'm also done with this thread.
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its not just a guy thing. my wife and i both shoot competitively on a team.
Are you sure she was always a chick?

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"You know there is no difference between guns and any other dangerous thing that the society needs to regulate."

Ahhh, but there is. Ever heard of the "Bill of Rights"?
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Today I am starting the National Nuclear Weapons Association (NNWA). The goal of the NNWA organization is to promote and avocate the safe use and handling of nuclear weapons and to promote legislation as such. Nuclear weapons can be used to hunt and for sporting purposes and to defend yourself from intruders.

Anyone who abuses nuclear weapons should be punished ! But don't punish all of the law obiding citizens who have a legal right to nuclear weapons.

Don't punish all of the innocent law-abiding citizens because some whack job goes on a rampage and illegally uses nuclear weapons !
Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people !

When they outlaw nuclear weapons, only outlaws will have nuclear weapons !

If we just enforced the laws we now have against people using nuclear weapons we'd be just fine. But don't take away my constitutional right to have nuclear weapons !
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It's clear from many of the replies on this thread that gun control can't be intelligently discusssed, so there is even less hope for enlightened gun laws or gun control in this country. So, I guess we will continue to live and die with our paranoia. I'm also done with this thread.
I LOVE IT! That is the standard liberal response. I guess we just aren't "enlightened" enough to have more gun control (thank G_D)

Maybe all the left wing politicians will just give up like Rosie did this week and admit that they can't defeat the NRA.
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ha ha im laughing because she enjoys so many of my guy hobbies i always kid her about being a guy in another life.
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when puns are outlawed only outlaws will make puns
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if at first you dont succeed try try a gun
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No punishment or other deterrent would prevent anyone who blows a fuse to do a rampage like this one.
The solution is to ban assault weapon for everyone but the army!!! Most police work doesn't even need this kind of weapon.

Only weapons used for defense or hunting should ever be sold. And registered and licensed.

I equate gun manufacturing to tobacco manufacturing. It is beyond me that powerful market interests can successfully go against the wellfare of the whole society by lobbying Congress.
Only he didn't use an assault weapon, he used an ordinary Glock handgun.

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EXACTLY!! What ever happened to the concept of personal responsibility for one's actions? Punish all of the innocent law-abiding citizens because some whack job goes on a rampage? I guarantee I vote against ANYBODY; Rep, Dem or Lib or tries to take my guns!
There's one slight problem with your stance: there are people who have no concept of personal responsibility for their actions. This is the definition of INSANE. This man was obviously totally insane. Expecting him to take responsibility is like expecting your dog to tutor math. I have no problem with the concept of controls being in place so that people like this do not have access to weapons (although, on a practical note, I'm not sure what those controls would be). Or, maybe we should just make it against the law to be insane??

A whacko will find a way to go nuts. But there are plenty of other murders that are brought about by the convenience of the medium--specifically handguns. Guy finds his wife in the sack with another man and grabs the easily accessible handgun from the dresser drawer etc.

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Al--No what I'm saying is it is a tragedy when someone goes on a spree, commits violent crimes, and kills people whether it is one two or 31. It doesn't matter what the weapon is. The person/people are just as dead. Someone who is motivated to do this sort of thing will find a suitable weapon to commit their crime of choice.
I think you may be right in the case of someone as nuts as this shooter. However, in general, the argument that a gun is no different than a knife or club is bogus. There are studies that show than when young males handle guns, it increases their testosterone levels and makes violent behaviour more probable. They are also a lot more effective at killing. If it weren't so, you boys wouldn' be so emotional about keeping them.
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Open the mental hospitals again people. Yea the places to take these sick F&*%S off the streets. But no the drug companies say put them on prozac.

The guy also has a terrorist Islamic rant here. we need to be careful here, watch out people the video the guns the vest sure looks like the palistinian suicide bomber videos.
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"You know there is no difference between guns and any other dangerous thing that the society needs to regulate."

Ahhh, but there is. Ever heard of the "Bill of Rights"?
Yes well the 2nd amendment says there should be a protecting militia able to be armed. It also says that the militia should be "well regulated"...

Doesn't say that everyone should be able to have guns without any kind of government regulation.
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Yes well the 2nd amendment says there should be a protecting militia able to be armed. It also says that the militia should be "well regulated"...

Doesn't say that everyone should be able to have guns without any kind of government regulation.
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Just so you know, the courts have prettymuch ruled otherwise
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