Was I in the wrong for 'roughing' this guy up?

[haha]

This thread is wonderful. I am a student of semiotics, the meaning and significance of signs and symbols. If the schizphrenia involved in American ways of dress and American attitudes toward sexuality doesn't make you scratch your head nothing will.

Yesterday I accompanied a friend to a big regional mall where she wanted to do some shopping. I often got bored while she tried on dresses and stuff, so I went out and walked around. Acres of cleavage! Jeans so tight that waddling was difficult, normal walking out of the question. On the younger women skirts as short as LA in 1968. This was an upscale mall, so most of the patrons were "height/weight proportional". None of this of course intersts me except as an intellectual and historical curiosity, but it sure qualifies there.

Now what is the purpose of this dress, other than sexual titillation? But overall it seems that in America the proper response to all this lovingly displayed flesh is to not see it, or perhaps to condemn it if you come from a certain religious traditions. Da Nile is not just a river!

This is not comment on Fed's companion, who may have been being photographed not because of her appearance but perhaps because she reminded the photographer of his sister, or as Lazy suggested, maybe she wan't even the intended subject.

Ha

 

[TromboneAl]

Related to this, but not saying the guy was innocent: I was taking pictures at some event at a county fair a few years ago with a Sony Mavica. With that camera, you could delete pictures, change settings, etc. through the viewfinder, and it did not simultaneously show an image of what you were pointing at.

I was doing just that for a few minutes, and when I looked up I found (you guessed it) that the camera had been pointed at a girl's butt right in front of me. Got a dirty look.

 

[Jay_Gatsby]

Now what is the purpose of this dress, other than sexual titillation? But overall it seems that in America the proper response to all this lovingly displayed flesh is to not see it, or perhaps to condemn it if you come from a certain religious traditions. Da Nile is not just a river!

Women wear revealing clothing so they can be noticed by certain types of guys (rich and attractive). If you're neither of those things, then you're not supposed to look.

As a married guy I look anyway, while simultaneously looking to see if my wife catches me doing it.

 

[cute fuzzy bunny]

You guys still havent figured it out.

Women dress to impress other women.

If by chance it catches the eye of a good looking guy, thats just a minor bonus.

 

[Westernskies]

Women wear revealing clothing so they can be noticed by certain types of guys (rich and attractive). If you're neither of those things, then you're not supposed to look.

...kinda like the old adage about the only difference between eccentric and insane being your net worth.

 

[bbbamI]

Wow, you guys have us all figured out.

 

[TromboneAl]

I'm surprised that a woman would wear something that shows off her breasts at an event at which some or many have had to have one or more breasts removed.

When I went to the testicular cancer awareness dinner, I was very careful about what I wore.

 

[Westernskies]

I'm surprised that a woman would wear something that shows off her breasts at an event at which some or many have had to have one or more breasts removed.

When I went to the testicular cancer awareness dinner, I was very careful about what I wore.

LOL... but wasn't that actually the Testicular Cancer Awareness Ball?

 

[TromboneAl]

Wish I'd thought of that.

 

[Jay_Gatsby]

LOL... but wasn't that actually the Testicular Cancer Awareness Ball?

I have to wonder how the female attendees at such an event would show off the "crown jewels"....

 

[cute fuzzy bunny]

Did someone say "bacon"?

I wonder if anyone has ever made a bacon kayak...?

 

[guest]

wow....talk about thread hijacking! Keep going, I like it!!!

 

[Texas Proud]

You over-reacted. What could this guy have been charged with? Taking a picture in a public place of a stranger? Is that illegal? He could have said he thought he knew the woman. He's an idiot but imho you are lucky he didn't call a cop himself when you physically escorted him out of the area. If I were you and it bothered me that much I would have turned it over to someone official at the event.

I agree that you were OK with calling him out, but not touching him...

HE DID NOTHING ILLEGAL...... unless he did some up skirt shots... everything he took pics of were 'out in the open'.... so even if you called him out he could have told you to take a hike...

 

[haha]

As I think about this more, I think Fed should have formed a lynch mob and got rid of this dirtbag right then and there. One terrible male person removed from God's Green Acres, and Fed would get his hit off the drama pipe too.

A Twofer.

Ha

 

[Westernskies]

As I think about this more, I think Fed should have formed a lynch mob and got rid of this dirtbag right then and there. One terrible male person removed from God's Green Acres, and Fed would get his hit off the drama pipe too.

A Twofer.

Ha

Whoa... Still trying to get those meds dialed in?

 

[Leonidas]

Although I don't think the Fed is in Texas, I thought I might point this out in response to the repeated questions/statements about the legality of taking photographs of another person without their permission and done for lascivious purposes. I would not be surprised to find that several of the other states have similar laws.

Texas Penal Code:

§ 21.15. IMPROPER PHOTOGRAPHY OR VISUAL RECORDING.
(a) In this section, "promote" has the meaning assigned by Section
43.21.
(b) A person commits an offense if the person:
(1) photographs or by videotape or other electronic
means records, broadcasts, or transmits a visual image of another
at a location that is not a bathroom or private dressing room:
(A) without the other person's consent; and
(B) with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person;
(c) An offense under this section is a state jail felony.

 

[lazygood4nothinbum]

accordingly texas will be confiscating all victoria secret catalogues. an arrest warrant has been issued for v.s. principals & photographers, catalogue distributors & stockholders. do not even think about masterbating to the e.r. olympic thread pictures or your computer will be used as evidence against you. sex is bad. sex is a sin. sex is evil. bad sex. shame on sex. the only good sex is scheduled sex performed with god's permission.

 

[Westernskies]

You over-reacted. What could this guy have been charged with? Taking a picture in a public place of a stranger? Is that illegal? He could have said he thought he knew the woman. He's an idiot but imho you are lucky he didn't call a cop himself when you physically escorted him out of the area. If I were you and it bothered me that much I would have turned it over to someone official at the event.

For those who think TheFed is in TheWrong: turn this around a bit:
Some dirtbag is blatantly taking pictures of your daughter's boobs at a charity event with his cell phone so he can post them on some sleazy website for others to get their rocks off to.... She can't do anything about it, because as TheFed said, she had no where to hide them... So he just stands there and snaps away. Still feel it's OK?

Telling the guy to stop was appropriate, IMHO. Public embarrassment might have been better.

 

[HFWR]

Loophole: I'd imagine those models in VS catalogues gave their permission...

And, to quote Charlton Heston, "when they pry it out of my cold, dead hands..."

 

[Leonidas]

accordingly texas will be confiscating all victoria secret catalogues. an arrest warrant has been issued for v.s. principals & photographers, catalogue distributors & stockholders. do not even think about masterbating to the e.r. olympic thread pictures or your computer will be used as evidence against you. sex is bad. sex is a sin. sex is evil. bad sex. shame on sex. the only good sex is scheduled sex performed with god's permission.

No. not even close. It prohibits perverse behavior likes this;

On June 20, 2004, thirteen-year-old C.M. was shopping with her parents at the Tanger Outlet Mall in San Marcos, Texas. She was shopping in Rue 21, a clothing store that sells clothing targeted at young females, and she was wearing a skirt while she shopped.

Gladys De La Garza was also a customer at Rue 21. De La Garza testified that she was approximately five feet away from C.M., who was looking at clothes, when she witnessed Reyes crouch down on his knee directly behind C.M.. Reyes was so close to C.M. that De La Garza initially thought they were there together. De La Garza then noticed that Reyes had a cell phone in his hand.

Reyes's phone was a "flip phone," (1) which he had open and held with the face turned outwards. De La Garza testified that she observed Reyes place the phone under C.M.'s skirt and heard the phone's camera "click." De La Garza stated that when Reyes noticed her moving towards them, he quickly got up and walked out of the store.

De La Garza then approached C.M. and stated that she thought Reyes had taken a picture under her skirt. C.M. immediately began to cry and went to find her parents.

 

[lazygood4nothinbum]

ya, but i guess that's the difference. placing a phone under a stranger's skirt (yikes) or a newscameraman focusing on a sexy bod at a sporting event. neither with signed permission. both meant to arouse. one obviously a violation, the other simply life.

 

[Westernskies]

accordingly texas will be confiscating all victoria secret catalogues. an arrest warrant has been issued for v.s. principals & photographers, catalogue distributors & stockholders. do not even think about masterbating to the e.r. olympic thread pictures or your computer will be used as evidence against you. sex is bad. sex is a sin. sex is evil. bad sex. shame on sex. the only good sex is scheduled sex performed with god's permission.

Maybe you should post that graphic of Texas sodomy laws again while you are at it... Just trying to help you make your point, whatever that might be.

 

[thefed]

If you look back at some of thefeds other posts, you will see that he appears to thrive on putting himself in risky situations. And then making himself out to be the hapless victim, or the good guy.

Let's see - a convicted drug felon that was thinking about going into a business on the fringes of the drug trade (hydroponic supplies) that would put him into contact with people in the drug business and their money.

And the time he smarted off to a cop when he found himself in a hotel where a drug bust appeared to be going on...

I think there were others, those two come to mind. Some people are not happy if they are not on the edge. Call security? No fun for thefed would be my take on it.

-ERD50

not that your post is on topic OR deserves a response, but I'll humor you....

risky? How were those 2 examples risky? Hydroponics stores are alive and well across the country because in no way are they illegal. It was me exploring yet another money making opportunity. And as far as the cop goes....I dont take harassment from anyone...especially law enforcement. I'm not one to 'lay down and take it'. sorry. I exercised my rights while answering him in a tone as sarcastic as he was using. nothing wrong with that, IMHO

what erd50 said, plus, what amazing eyesight or presumption (even if correct) to be able to know precisely what was in focus in the other person's camera's viewfinder. maybe the guy was just taking an offcentered picture of your crotch. which way does it lean? because certainly you think you have the balls for it.

which is more perverted? seeing a woman's body which turns you on and wanting to take a picture to preserve the moment or seeing a person who you assume preserving a moment and further assuming the photo "nefarious" in nature and connecting that all with a notion of being at a breast cancer event. does anyone seriously think--even if the guy was indeed snapping boobs--that the pervtographer made all those connections? if your own perverted mind hadn't made such connections, would the photo have seemed so dirty? would an artist ever make a point of painting breasts at an awareness affair for breast cancer?

chivalry or inhibition? here's another news flash: sexual attraction is not perverted. it is natural. so get over it. fight to veil yourself or take a chance to avail youself. but know what you are fighting for.

are you kidding me? why the personal attack? this response sounds like an excuse a perv would be using to get out of the aforementioned situation!

as far as my eyesight goes..remember that I'm a lot younger than most of the crowd here...so my ability to see clearly 3 feet away is not 'amazing'....it's normal.

the guy WAS snapping boob shots....i was 3 feet behind him...pretty obvious....although he tried to hide it.

you're comparing this situation to art? what?

call it whatever you will...chivalry, inhibition, rude, wrong or right....if it was YOU snapping the pictures I would've done the same thing. And if you were lucky enough to be snapping pics of MY wife there would be a totally different thread to read.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Ok, well, it sounds like TheFed IS a little bit of a hot-head, but my
hat is off to him. Maybe what he did was stupid, putting him at risk
personally, but it also took courage and put a jerk in his place.

I think the country would be a lot better off if there were more people
willing to call "BS" on people who are acting like assholes, and that's
just what (it sounds like) TheFed did.

If I may expound a bit, I think we Americans have basically turned into
a nation of pussies (I don't mean to be sexist with this term). A whole
plane-load of people cowed with a box-cutter, for God's sake ? And then
we're so freaked out by the results that we allow our idiot fear-mongering
president to sell many of our freedoms down the river - freedoms that
thousands of Americans have died over the years to protect - because
of the fear that maybe the mean old terrorists will hurt us again if we
don't give the brave authorities freedom to do absolutely as they please.

One can see this fear every day. Have you ever noticed how many
car drivers have their windows rolled up, even at slow speeds on a
beautiful day ? We're scared of the f*uckin' outdoors !

I was hitch-hiking, just a short distance in the tame confines of a
national park, not too long after 9/11, and it was unbelievable how
much trouble I had getting picked up. Cars with a couple guys would
pass me by. I was finally picked up by a woman driving alone, and
you guessed it, she was from a foreign country (Australia, I believe).

Makes me sick, really, what we have become. Oh, and thanks for
letting me vent ...

 

[lazygood4nothinbum]

fed, my questioning the appropriateness of your action is not a personal attack. you are the one who publicly submitted your actions here for critique. i have no problem with past mistakes you might have made and do not carry foward any judgment upon you based on that; however, i agree with erd that you are quick to make yourself out to have been victimized when, rather, at least as i see it, you might have been, instead, the instigator. it is a common technique not unknown to the character of extreme right thinkers as well, dramatic on the surface, but slippery underneathe, allowing the perpetrators, in their own mind, to slither away from personal responsibility and owning up to their own actions.

i defend your right to express yourself even if i think you were being paranoid. i denouce not your chivalry but your actions. it is one thing to lay down your jacket so a lady does not have to step in mud, quite another when you shake out your jacket, splashing nearby gentlemen. as mentioned elsewhere, you overstepped your bounds, you had no right to manhandle the situation, you had no right to escalate a situation which might have endangered others.

as to what have we become, apparently, by this thread, we have become a nation of thought police, and when personally convenient, thought vigilantism.