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Old 07-19-2015, 04:41 PM   #21
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I don't see it as a problem. ...
I didn't mean in that way.

Of course it's not a problem for you, the washer works good for you, you are set.

I only meant it is a problem for us undecided people, it's a pretty divided crowd.

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Old 07-19-2015, 05:29 PM   #22
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The house I am building is relatively small and has everything I need for day-to-day living in the upper floor. To conserve space, I only allowed for a stacking set, so it will be a front load. Our last set was a front load and it worked fine. I didn't keep the set because I thought it would be a few years before I needed it. In retrospect, it may be a few more than a few years. I will look in CU and at LG when the time comes. Thanks for the insights. (BTW, I REALLY hate dragging my clothes down to the laundromat! Such is life in a camper down by the river - or wherever.)
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It seems that there was a thread on this not long ago--but if so I can't find it. I'm in the market for a new washer and dryer. Looking for full size side by side units that do a great job, are not horribly expensive (I don't need anything fancy; no specialty bells and whistles), and are not purposely made to die in a few years. I'm single and do 2-3 small loads a week. Thanks!
HD recently had an amana pair on sale for $299/ea, sounds good to me.

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Old 07-20-2015, 03:59 AM   #24
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I'm not saying either is right/wrong, but it sure isn't clear to us who have never owned a modern front loader.
Though that's why I really valued the perspectives of folks who have used both for a significant period of time. I'm curious about the reasons folks who have used a front loader have switch to a top loader.

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Good, but then I also read that the wash cycle is much longer.
Where did you read that?

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I asked DW if she waits on the dryer now, and she says mostly no.
I cannot speak for others, but I regularly wait for the dryer and have forever. I don't feel anything has changed in that regard.
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I'm not saying either is right/wrong, but it sure isn't clear to us who have never owned a modern front loader.
Though that's why I really valued the perspectives of folks who have used both for a significant period of time. I'm curious about the reasons folks who have used a front loader have switch to a top loader.
Agree, it's just in the front versus top loader, it seems to me I see a much more divided response than most other products. Some love them, some hate them - and sometimes for the same issue (some say clean great, others say they don't), etc.

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I cannot speak for others, but I regularly wait for the dryer and have forever. I don't feel anything has changed in that regard.
But DW claims she rarely waits for the dryer, so this would seem to extend total time for us. I can't comment on others.

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I'm in the market for a new washer and dryer.
Another thing I wonder about: Why do so many people replace both the washer and the dryer? Dryers are very simple devices, and in my experience they require fewer repairs than washers and can be kept alive with infrequent and economical fixes for a lot longer than a washer can (no pumps, no gaskets or hoses to leak). It would be like replacing your stove because your dishwasher crumped out. Maybe even more unfathomable (to me), because a kitchen is a "public" space, and the laundry area usually isn't. I wouldn't expect my guests to notice (or care) that I have "mismatched" laundry appliances.

I guess when people move to a new house and there are no appliances they have buy both a washer and dryer.
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Agree, it's just in the front versus top loader, it seems to me I see a much more divided response than most other products.
I haven't seen an unusual amount of diversity of responses for washing machines, despite looking for it when we made our purchase.

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Post #20 for one.
Post #20 was a poster who preferred a front loader and said that the overall time for them was the same.

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But DW claims she rarely waits for the dryer, so this would seem to extend total time for us.
That's not logical. The statement you're referring to said that we noted no change, so if DW rarely waits for the dryer now then our experience would indicate that DW would rarely wait for the dryer then.

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I guess when people move to a new house and there are no appliances they have buy both a washer and dryer.
That was our situation. We left behind a relatively new washer and a relatively old dryer. It just worked out that way.
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We splurged on a new set of front loaders when we moved into our new house. We were so sick of the awful ones in the apartment laundry room.

We bought the front loaders below that come with 15" pedestals (and delivery, install, and haulaway) which means no bending over. I regularly go into the laundry room and give them a hug I love them so much! The clothes come out clean, clean, clean and the washer uses very little water. Did I tell you I love them?

The Maytag Maxima is on Consumer Reports recommended list for front loaders. The review mentions the washer is noisy but I have not found that to be the case. Costco also adds another year to the one year warranty although some of the parts have 10-year warranties. I do not find the wash cycle to be abnormally long. About 40 minutes.

We owned front loaders that we sold with the OH house, we had front loaders at the apartment for 6 years, and we have front loaders again in the new house. I think the clothes come out cleaner and the spin cycle gets out so much water the dryer cycle is relatively short. Also, they seem to barely use any water.

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We have some random Maytags we bought earlier this year, in our basement, where nobody sees them. They were on sale at Abt, whose website abt.com is for me a good source of information and reviews of appliances, wherever we might end up buying something.

Our main criterion was a top loader, followed by the ratings and how long the standard wash cycle is. I am sure I would have been happy with a front loader but they don't really appeal to me for some reason.

We replaced the dryer at the same time because the current dryer had been a cheap replacement for a broken dryer itself and I always hated it--slow to dry, no interior light, ineffective lint catcher design, but had no reason to replace it until the washer died. The new dryer is amazingly fast.
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Agree, it's just in the front versus top loader, it seems to me I see a much more divided response than most other products.
I haven't seen an unusual amount of diversity of responses for washing machines, despite looking for it when we made our purchase..
And I have!

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Post #20 for one.
Post #20 was a poster who preferred a front loader and said that the overall time for them was the same.
I guess you edited out ""Emphasis on "for one"." before I quoted you - were you expecting a comprehensive all-inclusive list of any/all occurrences on the interent?


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But DW claims she rarely waits for the dryer, so this would seem to extend total time for us.
That's not logical. The statement you're referring to said that we noted no change, so if DW rarely waits for the dryer now then our experience would indicate that DW would rarely wait for the dryer then.
It is perfectly logical, and correct for the situation I described. I stated : "But DW claims she rarely waits for the dryer, so this would seem to extend total time for us. I can't comment on others."

So since we rarely wait for the dryer, the dryer is not the critical resource, the washer is. So if washing time is extended, it makes no difference to us in overall clock time start-to-finish if the dryer time is shortened. The shorter dryer time would come into play only on the time for last load to dry, and we typically do multiple loads in a day, so that has less of an impact overall. Also, nothing is waiting on the last load to dry, so it isn't an issue anyhow. So under that scenario, a longer wash time extends the wash day.

You don't need to wait for the dryer to finish before you start the next wash load - those go in parallel. Maybe you need to map this out on paper to see the effect of a longer wash time when the dry time is not the limiting resource?

A lot of my career was involved with process optimization - I understand bottleneck analysis . And as I made abundantly clear, this is for our conditions, other people may have different scenarios and may make different decisions based on that.

At any rate, I'm not trying to attempt to convince you of anything (well, other than you were wrong to say my statement was illogical ), I've been doing my research and applying it to our situation so I can try to convince myself of the proper path for us, and I will continue along those lines. You'll have to decide what is best for you.

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You'll have to decide what is best for you.
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